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Re: When Boxing was boxing Foreman / Frazier - Foreman / Lyle

If you have some time watch this one. Terrific fight bunch of knockdowns
5 round fight.​
 

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Re: When Boxing was boxing Foreman / Frazier - Foreman / Lyle

 

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We will never see heavyweights like this again, basically because all the potential HWs now play linebacker in the NFL. But boxing is alive and well at lower weights. Did you watch Margarito/Cotto last month? Two young champs brought everything they had to the ring and it was a fantastic fight. Also check out the recent Vasquez/Marquez trilogy if you want to see the real thing.
 

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Last Friday night, ESPN2's Friday Night Fights was the stage for a bizarre incident involving The Contender's Anthony Bonsante 31-10-3 (18) who was stopped by the unbeaten Adonis Stevenson 12-0 (9) in just forty-six seconds of the opening round.

The two squared off against one another, both simultaneously threw punches and Bonsante went down from a grazing left hand. Bonsante would lay there motionless with his eyes closed tight as referee Gerry Bolen administered the mandatory eight count. Around six Bolen began to waive the fight off and at the same time Bonsante jumped up to his feet yelling, "I am up!"

The two began to argue about the situation and regardless of whether Bonsante was actually hurt or not (I think not), Bolen decided to call a halt to the bout giving Stevenson his twelfth consecutive win and sending Bonsante back to the States with a disappointing loss.

In this exclusive interview conducted by Doghouse Boxing, Bonsante speaks out on the bizarre incident and gives his side of the story. Enjoy!

Benny Henderson Jr.: Last Friday night on ESPN2 Friday Night Fights, there was a weird encounter in the fight between you and Stevenson, walk the fans through the events from your perspective.

Anthony Bonsante: Well, I hit Stevenson with a left hook and simultaneously he caught me with a straight left hand. He did not hit me flush, he just grazed my face, but I went down. I heard the official time keeper, not the referee, but I picked up the time keeper's count up at two, I heard the referee pick the count up at four and he counted to six and started waiving me off. I get up and I said what are you doing and he said your eyes were closed, I said I am OK, he said you are OK now, I told him that I was supposed to get an eight count, you have to give me a standing eight count. He said no you were hurt, I was like no I am not do I look hurt. I think the referee made a bad call because he should of made me stand up asked me if I was OK, take two steps forward. If I take two steps forward then and only then should he give me the judgment call if I was OK or not, he made a bad call.

BH: Were you hurt anytime during the fight?

AB: No I was not hurt at all, if you see when I fell, if I was knocked out or unconscious I would not of been able to catch myself with my hands behind me. I got up about five and a half seconds, the referee stopped his waive off momentarily, and made the wrong call. He could if called off his own call, he could of reversed his call and let me fight, that is what he should of done. He made a judgment call based on his experience, which I do not know where he got that from. He was a Canadian ref, it was a Canadian boxer, and I do not know if there is anything going on there or not.

BH: The question is, why would you lay there with your eyes closed, what was going through your mind?

AB: OK Benny, that is fine, that is perfectly acceptable question, but, where is the rules that say that I cannot lay there with my eyes closed and deliberate whether to get up at four, six or eight, don't I get a mandatory eight count? Even if my eyes are closed, I don't hear the count or get up at eight he counts me out at ten, four seconds is not going to save my life whether he stops it at six or ten, what is the difference if he counts me out? He should of counted me out, if he was that concerned with my safety why did he not call a doctor in?

BH: Let's just say that you were in referee Bolen's shoes and was watching a fighter who took a shot laying there with his eyes closed, let's be brutally honest Anthony, what would you do if you were in his position?

AB: I will put it to you straight, regardless of who the fighter is, a personal relationshipwith or a personal issue with or not, I would of counted to ten and counted his ass out. Then I would of brought a doctor in and tell them to pay attention to this fighter. Or as a referee, I would have said Tony you have to show me something, that referee did not say one thing but he just kept counting. If he would have said you have to show me something or I am going to call the fight, I would have gotten up right away. You are given the eight count, take it. Collect your thoughts and head, regain your strength and get up. The ref made a snap call which was the wrong call. I thought that I would get the mandatory eight count.

BH: What now?

AB: I am pretty sure that I will get a thirty day suspension out of this but I have a fight in September and I am going to take it. I mean because that fight, I mean yeah I got a lose, but that punch did not hurt me, I was clear as a bell when I got out of that fight. The doctor looked at me in the locker room and he said I do not need to make an evaluation, you are perfectly fine.

BH: Let's say that you were in that same position again would you do differently this time?

AB: Well I guess I would have to jump up at two.

BH: Keep your eyes open right. (Laughing) Just kidding man.

AB: Yeah, I guess if I had to do it again I would not of closed my eyes and thought about it, when you are in thought sometimes you close your eyes, I guess I cannot think with my eyes closed.

BH: Would you like to rematch with Stevenson or would it not be worth it?

AB: No disrespect to Stevenson, he landed a nice punch, but if you watch the fight I landed a pretty solid left hook. I think that if I would have had the opportunity to continue I would have got to him, I seen some weaknesses in him in just the forty five seconds. He was a sucker for left hook, after that you fake a lead left hook and throw a straight right hand, and I do not know if he has a good chin. I don't know if I should be fighting at super middleweight, because clearly you could see that Stevenson was much bigger than me.

BH: Anything in closing?

AB: I wish Stevenson the best of luck, he has a future ahead of him, I just wish that I could have had a fair opportunity to show everyone what I was made of. I would like to thank the fans that support me and that keep supporting me because I have another fight coming up, I am not done yet.

BH: I hear that Gerry Bolen will be available to referee your next fight. (Laughing)

AB: Yeah OK, good. I would rather have my daughter referee a fight than him. I had two commissioners tell me after the fight that I could of continued, I am like oh really maybe I should file an appeal.

BH: Have you thought about that?

AB: Yes I have thought about it, but it is a $500 non-refundable appeal and granted I am an US citizen and they are going to stand behind their referee. They are never going to admit that he was wrong
 

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Did you watch Margarito/Cotto last month?
I was surprized Margaritto blasted Cotto like that. I seriously underestimated him. Cotto is one tough Hombre and Antonio took it to him late.
I agree on the Trilogy the third one was the fight of the year with the outcome in doubt till the end.
Kind of like the Mickey Ward Arturo Gatti trilogy. Maybe better.
 

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Zim i just noticed that Bonsante post.
Hes an idiot who should not be allowed a license again IMO. A joke. The worst performance in the ring since that other idiot climbed the ropes and knocked himself out on the turnbuckle. Oliver Mccall against Lennox Lewis. Andrew Galotta against anybody. Rafael Pineda against Mark Breland. Or the idiot that Hagler Ko'd in 30 seconds and afterwards found dope in his urine.

What a moron - I wouldnt even waste my time giving it any credence whatsoever. Bonsante takes his rightful place with the ham and egg idiots. He should be ashamed of himself.
 

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l, hey, whatta ya think about delahoya fighting the pac man?
Pac man is not a natural welterweight and Oscar walks around at 160.
Oscars too strong for him. Although Manny has the speed.
Oscar in 8 TKO.
 

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yea, kids gotta put on the pounds and in vegas wear 10oz gloves if 147 or above. if he gotta come up that much i think you are right after 8 rds. kid will be 1/2 shot and easy to counter on (if he don;t smother oscar in the first 5 rounds and get him out. i mean oscar has to shed some weight as well. the golden boy knows how to pick a fight i tell ya. i now think margarito is the real thing and oscar should make that fight as if it is his last he should get the money but he;s no dope.



 

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l, hey, whatta ya think about delahoya fighting the pac man?
This matchup is a disgrace to the sport. I am happy that boxers outside the HW division can now cash in, but this is an utter embarrassment. Pac is at the top of his game and at/near the top of p4p lists. Oscar is naturally, what, 15-20 lbs bigger than pac and hasn't been a real boxer in 5+ years.

Same thing with Jones/Calzaghe. Jones should go fight Glen Johnson again and let Calzaghe and Pavlik go at it. :whistle:

This is why everyone was so excited about margarito/cotto. 2 guys willing to put their records on the line by fighting the best.

I had seen Margarito fight and knew he was a beast, but had I bet I would have put money on a cotto decision. I was surprised how much bigger Margarito seemed in the ring. I gave Cotto 5 out of the first 6 rounds, but if you looked at him in the corner between rounds, you could tell he was taking a beating.

The Gatti/Ward fights were some of the first to get me watching non-HW fights. I liked Gatti a lot, but I hope he's hung em up for good. The dude has been beat on enough, imo.
 

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Kelly Pavlik is the goods. :4996:
Calzaghe got exposed last time out against an over the hill Bernard Hopkins.
Hopkins in his prime - Calzaghe gets dusted.
 

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i;m concerned a bit (just a bit) , lacy was a force to be reckoned with and was clearly out boxed and out hustled. then i personally thought the younger kessler was the real deal after seeing him fight and he too was taken to school. i think there IS no other opponent for calzaghe and has
imo a better shot at winning but there is something i notice and that is once calzaghe sees a flaw it's exposed immediately and the fight is his. can;t see any in the ghost but whatta i know. hope kelly takes the belts home to where they belong. calzaghe didn't pay the dues in fights leading up to the past couple of years so for that i have disdain for him even though he was brought along greatly and made it to the top of his game with respect. if i were him i would bow out gracefully before kelly gets the chance to cross his eyes and knock him the f%$# out. that is in roy jones don;t take that dream away. either way kelly will get the big money



 

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jefrf lacy mounted a comeback, (saw his last fight but not too impressed)
he is now fighting jermain taylor in november. this guy just is a glutton for punishment i think.



 

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I'll give Calzaghe his due. He's not a great fighter, but like a younger Hopkins he's extremely tough to beat. (I also think a prime Hopkins schools Calzaghe. Bernard is 40 now FFS) But he exposed Lacy, and his win against Kessler was impressive imo. If Joe could punch, instead of that slappy-slappy he does, he'd be a monster. But he's a smart fighter, and he's got heart. I could see him out-pointing Pavlik in an extremely disappointing fight. I'm not sure Pavlik will be able to get to him. He doesn't have the size advantage in this one like Margarito did over Cotto. Nonetheless, it's a good matchup and one I think we'll see.

The first Pavlik/Taylor fight is one of my favorites of the past couple years for sure.
 

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And I think Pavlik beats Hopkins no problem. Hopkins has no offense left in the tank.

No way Oscar fights Margarito. That would be a real fight, and could get really ugly for Oscar. He's fighting little guys to avoid just this situation.
 

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so pavlik beats hopkins in october?
This "white Boy" beats his ass. :4996: Pavlik wont pitty pat him like Calzaghe did. Bernard will present some problems with angles, counters and ring savvy but Kelly is conditioned and still getting bettter each time out. I dont think success has made him soft. It will be another good fight, because Hopkins always brings his A game. I say Pavlik either wins a close decision or stops him late in the fight.
I'm not overly impressed with either Kessler or Lacy. I think the best of the other middleweights besides Jermaine Taylor is Winky Wright who could more than hold his own with them all and probably even beat Calzaghe. Styles make fights.
The middleweight welterweight picture looks strong. Even Edison Miranda still looms dangerous. Im sure he'll want a rematch with Pavlik someday if he sticks with boxing.
I predict Pavlik would KO Calzaghe first time he lands one on the button.
Maybe its because the first time I got a real look at Calzaghe it was against Hopkins, where he looked ordinary, but he did get the win. Thats probably the reason Im underestimating the guy and Im wrong much more often than right. :einstein: :dizzy:
 
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