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Ed, don't beat yourself up too bad. Those things happen to all of us and I believe it to be part of the dues we all have to pay to become better fishermen.

Sitting with my wife amongst a good crowd of people on the beach last summer with two rods in spikes, I look up to see one of my rods starting to bend. By the time I could get my aging body out of my low-rider chair, my rod was sand-surfing down the beach with me running after it. When I caught up to it, the fish was gone. And I had to bite my tongue because there were little kids close by.

I must have replayed that event in my mind a 100 times since last summer. Not the part of me running after my rod (my wife likes to replay/tell that part of the story), but how I should have set-up differently.

Taught me a couple of good lessons. Now, if I can only get my wife to stop laughing when she tells that story.......dam embarrassing.
 

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Well I sure have not paid my dues yet, maybe just made a small down payment, but I can sure identify with what you guys are sayin. This will be my 4th season going after stripers, and I feel like I am a little ahead of the game compared to where I started, however I do realize there are large gaps in my knowledge and do enjoy the quest of filling said gaps.
I started out for 6 months trying to catch a striper, but never got one. 6 months of hard effort and frustration. However the day I finally hooked up I got 3 fish and it was so sweet. I started out with no knowledge and no proper gear. I read books, bought magazines, scoured the internet and joined a club. Finally things started coming together for me. I bought better and bigger gear and really caught the striper bug. Being in Indiana made it especially hard as when I started I knew no one who pursued the striper, but now they are catchin on. I am just thankful for sites like this and fellas that are gracious enough to share their knowledge to help us rookies out. I also feel a certain amount of responsiblity. First to practice proper conservation efforts so that here in Indiana on our relatively small lakes that a sustainable population of stripers can be maintained. Second to pass on what I know to help others learn the sport, while at the same time making sure they are at least cognizant of the fact they we all must be responsible with our conservation efforts. It is a great sport.
 

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Paid my dues? Probably not... I guess for me its what it takes for me
to get out and fish that's half the battle. Now with 4 kids in tow.

I fished a lot when I was a kid cause I grew up living right next to a river
in Tewksbury,MA. Grand Parents lived in Winthrop,MA.

We(family) used to fish for Winter Flounder all the time down at Castle
Island in Dorchester, Deer Island PT Shirley, Piers East Boston, & PlumIsland

We always used Hi-Lo rigs. Never really went with different setups.
Tackle and all, was limited with 6 kids back then, my parents had it tough.

I've never had the opp. to get off the beach and that's been the most
discouraging cause there's too much lugging crap around, especially now.
My kids are too concerned with what food I've brought. Cause once that's
gone fishing trip is over. When you drag my kids to the beach with all the
gear I earn a few extra points.

BTW, I have absolutely no patience for single child parents. Its actually
great when I can get all four of my kids to raise hell around these people.
Gives me a chance to really yell. I could care less what eyebrows are
raised. That's the joy of it all.

My only goal is to get a decent boat where my kids can finally stop
saying, What's to eat. Maybe stop fidgetting so much and just hang a
rod over the gunnels. Slow down a bit.

My wife just started working so that means, I've got all 4 kids every
Saturday now. Woe is me!

I haven't caught nearly as many fish as I like to and haven't gone out
fishing enough to really count. I continue to learn a little more everytime
I do go and hopefully none will include any mishaps.

In anycase, most of the dues I've accounted for aren't related to Fishing,
however, I've earned a lot of them over years. Most of my stories have a
common thread of what stupid things I've done. However, Most are very
entertaining.

Fishing season is right around the corner for me and I'll be watchin
the boats go by as I fish with the kids. One of these days, I'll spend the
money. BTW, how big does a boat need to be for 1 adult and 4 kids...
Don't worry...I already know the answer...Big enough where it has a toilet!


See you at water's edge! :cheers:


--cal
 

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Cal, you have a tuff weekend with the kids there buddy?

I'm not sure if it makes a difference whether you have 4 kids or just 1......when they want to go home, they can make your life miserable. No sense trying to fight it. Of course this is coming from someone with only one kid that's now going to be 20 y/o.

My brother is not much of a fishermen so I use to take mine and his two out on the backyard pond in my jonboat. On those occasions, I didn't even try to fish. All my time was spent baiting, unhooking, un-tangling, and managing disputes. Glad those days are gone for the most part. But I did learn some valued lessons which I used several years later when we got the Maine house and boat.

I'd take them out, but, I only trolled, setting up a rotation even before we'd get to the boat. I'd let them pick out the music they wanted to listen to on the boat. If one was acting out, I'd send them to the bow and they'd miss a rotation on the fish.

Never had to do the striper thing with them fishing from the beach though. Since kids like action and sometimes action from the beach is hard to come by, no fish = not good.

You'll get through it Cal.....there'll be better days ahead. Just try to keep your sense of humor and your sanity in the meantime.

Oh ya, and a valium helps. :)
 

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help in boston harbor

I have a few places in Boston harbor that I want to try
This is my first season with a fishing boat

:BenNudd: so my question is where do you find bait fish
I am not asking for specific places what I want is some help in knowing where to start
depth? Structure? tide? etc.
 

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Are you looking for baitfish to live-line?

If so, look for the birds. They never stear you wrong.

If you find them and you see other boats working, be carefull how you approach. Some fishermen get irate if you drive through the school in your boat. Best to case out the situation first before approaching, trying to gage the dimmensions of the school and which direction they're moving. Then position yourself so they come to you.

Just a reminder....you can't catch herring do to the moritorium.
 

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Boston harbor is an easy place to find bait, as Tony said watch the birds, everyone and his brother fishes the deer Island rip and fawn bar, those areas always have bait.... again there is a moritorium on river herring...

troll a tube and worm or toss a bucktail into the fray of diving birds, you'll catch fish... another word of advise..DO NOT motor up to the action full bore... it will tick off the other anglers and put the fish down, instead slowly move in the direction of the percieved travel, cast ahead of the school, not only will you catch more fish you will make friends instead of enemies...
 

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for me, there's 2 places i go fishing. one is a local pier, lot of people, lot of fish, and a lot of talk. but when i want to go 'fishin' thumbsup.gif .... well i'm not gonna tell u guys that spot! lol

The main thing here is of all people, fishermen love to talk and tell stories. at the pier, i've learned more from their stories than i think i would be able to learn on my own in 50 yrs of fishing! different baits, rigs, knots, (a few locations), etc.

One of the best lessons i can give a new fisherman to striper fishing is, if you find a seasoned fisherman, "shut up and listen!!!".... lol. it's more valuable than any book!

Nortus

and then i take those lessons i've learned, walk out to my private spot, and get skunked! but still enjoy life!!!!
 

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boy, this site is the best

i am hooking up with briggsy this spring......gonna make sure i listen to what he has to share....I grew up on nantucket, but back then I took it all for granted....we told our parents we were going fishing a lot more than we actually went fishing...and back then we all just cast the bombers into blitzes...

The first striper i caught i was 14, made a bad cast into the surf, and thought i was snagged on a sea log....then that sea log started to scream!!!!!!!!!!

45 pounds!!!!!!!!!!

never had another over 30.......

now i live in the adirondacks, love to fish for brookies and smallies in the hudson and stony creek, but nothing, and i mean NOTHING comes close to that chilly, rainy, foggy morning on the beach with only a couple of other idiots like myself slamming stripers

thanks for all you posts, guys...........
 

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great sight

hi Guys:

I have not fished for about 15 years until 2 years ago on vacation in south carolina, I took the kids pier fishing & they loved it. So I came across this website & I love the idea of surf fishing from the beach. It has only been a year & I have not caught anything in the surf. Reading all the post here & how much time it takes to understand striper fishing hopefully I will get lucky & catch my first striper from the surf before I am 70? I have upgraded my gear purchased 2 surf rods & even went out fishing last year in a monson & hurricane, my wife thinks that I have gone nuts
in my old age but as I told her I do not play golf so surf fishing is my substitute.( I do not live near the beaches so I drive to long island ) The information on this website has been fantastic as well as the people here have been great. I go to other web-sites but nothing compares to stripers 247. I hope I can contribute some day to help other new surf fishermen.
Thank you all very very much.
 

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thanks for the info

thanks for the help i know not to speed up on a group
its a good way to get hooks and other things thrown at you :)

if anybody is in or around hull and would like to go out
let me know (ill cheat and watch others thumbsup.gif
 

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damn, 25 years of fishing, the first 15 flyfishing mostly, learning from books on aquatic antomology, fly tying etc.. countless hours dry casting in the back yard to fine-tune my double-hall, shooting heads piled into a heap time after time after time.. watching videos of my casting for hours.. carple tunnel in both hands from jigging deep with braid.. setting up reels right and left handed so I could switch back and forth to be able to fish all day and still feel my fingers... rotarcuff damage from casting both fly and spinning.. finally, through years of trial and error, learning the best times and highest percentage places to fish and not wasting my time on the water over fish that were off or days when the barometer was ripping; learning how to read stripers on sonar that would bite and were not just on the move.. learning to fish in their kitchen and dining room, not the hallways; how to fish a piece of structure without spooking on the approach; screwing it up so many times that it's etched in my head; countless times fishing alone so I could focus on techniques I wanted to learn.. learning much, much more on the days when it was tough fishing then the days when it was easy.. why was it easy?, why was it tough? go back home and study the barometer ( http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/plot_param.phtml?$station=44007$pres$E ) after the fact and connect the good with the bad; studying charts, tide times, and any other data available to help connect the dots; learning that striper fishing was more like deer hunting then any other fishing I'd done; learning the routes they'd travel at what tide times, and being there in advance to not spook them was the most valuable lesson I taught myself. Now I get to a spot, anchor up, have a coffee etc... the guys with me say "hey, we gonna fish here or what?" ... yeah, in a minute they're gonna show up on sonar, we'll let 'em fill in good and start jiggin'... "why don't we start now?" cuz if we start now, yeah, we'll bang a couple but we'll be spooking off the lead fish, we want 'em to fill in and start feeding... and I'd have to tell the story about the young bull and the old bull looking over a field of heffers, the young bull says "hey, lets run down there and boink a few of them"... and the old bull says," no, lets walk down and boink them all!" :) headbang.gif
 

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learning to fish in their kitchen and dining room, not the hallways;
Nice post Jigman for sure.
I revisit this thread because I was searching something online and i
came across a thread in another online forum that i usually dont frequent.
It was called 'Bunker fishermen arent really fishermen'.
It caught my attention because it sparked a spirited debate and I think
it got locked after 18 pages. The guy was lamenting the fact that big fish
were being slaughtered by novices who used bunker and to him in his mind this was tantamount to cheating. (Im paraphrasing)
Anyone who could snag a bunker and let it drop was cheating. Apparantly The fish would only be aknowledged by him if you caught it after years of painful dues paying. Through days and nights of beach recon, caught in the surf on a plug handcrafted in the molds of the great surfmasters of yore.
How dare you catch a 50 pounder without having to break your ass like he did. The poor guy must have paid some heavy, heavy dues. He would probably cry had he seen the picture of the 14 year old girl who won the MV derby last year on cut bait. Catching a 50 pound fish from the surf is a feat to be marveled at for sure. But to these guys it doesnt count.
Hopefully some day I'll have the good fortune of catching a 50 pounder and even better on a handcrafted plug. I assure you it will count to the only person that matters. Me!! I hope i have the good sense to release it
and resist the temptation to show it off, but i dont know if thats what i'd do because it hasnt happened. My biggest fish came from the surf and no one ever saw it nor was it weighed. It was released back to swim another day. And by the way it was caught on bunker. I can tell you it counted to me. That doesnt mean I dont enjoy trying to catch a 50 on a plug but if
its on bunker or a potato peeler that will be just fine with me.
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This is a good thread to revisit, there are not many alive that have paid more dearly than I, but that said how can anyone not count someone's big fish, hey if they did it less the pain all the power to them, they must have done something right.....

That is precisely the reason I never enter contests or Derby's it's tally at the end that counts. once could be an accident, twice you could be lucky, after that, you must have some clue to whats going on..... god bless those that get a big fish with out the effort, time will tell if they really make the grade...

My .02 fir today...

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I don't see how a big fish no matter the amount of experience wouldn't count.Imean it's one thing to set the hook,it's another story getting it in the boat or on to shore,that's the part where some experience can come into play.

Oh and by the way like Jim I use bunker/pogies alot down at the cape, no 50 to my credit so I guess I wasn't cheating.
 

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Those guys who claim that bait fishing "doesnt count", are just looking for a way to "evelate" themselves above others. Really, if you get into the psychology of it, thats all it is. It's in the books. I'm never surprised by the level of one's ego. Just when you think you've seen or heard the biggest, another will come along th_sm19.gif

Yes, I know and will agree that there are the "googan" fishkiller types who use bait. But there are also those types who use other presentations.

So for this guy to claim that fish with bait "doesnt count", is just silly to me. Fish eat bait, thats what they do th_icon_loll.gif So to claim it doesnt count is plain FOOLISH.

So if I throw softshell lobster out on my favorite rockbed or off my favorite point looking for my 50, then it "doesnt count". th_sm19.gif th_sm19.gif th_sm19.gif th_sm19.gif th_sm19.gif

This guy is a clownshoe, sorry. But everyone is allowed their opinion ofcourse.



 

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thanks chaps! I revisit this thread as well, just to check if anyone put as much into their fishing as I have.. and it seems to hold true that the guys with the blood, sweat, and tears, are the most consistant.. anyone can get lucky, but when you go out and notice that not many around you are catching fish and your boat is hammering bass, it makes all the effort worth it, depending on ones own sacrifices of coarse..

absolutely nothing can replace time on the water, being meticulous with your technique, and , oh yah, time on the water :) :cheers:
 

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This thread keep's me going . Should be a sticky." Dues Payed( story)/ results"(pic).
I'm paying, and I don't think you stop paying.
I used to fish, now I hunt.
That's a bold statement I know, th_sm19.gif
Any of you guy's that have, tell me I'm wrong.
Time.
 
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