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Old 06-23-2009, 01:42 PM
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Default Sandworms VS Clams

As a bait for Stripers I have heard on the beach that both Sandworms and Clams can be an excellent bait. What would you guys reccomend between these two? I realize that eels are the best to use but between these two baits what is the better of the two? How would you reccomend rigging these? Thanks for the pointers.
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Old 06-24-2009, 11:46 AM
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Copy and pasted this from another forum I posted in awhile back on rigging sandworms 2 at a time. VERY effective slinging from the surf, has caught me many fish the last 2 years. Only thing different I use now is a 6/0 circle hook as opposed to a 7/0 J hook, skip the swivel at the end of your leader altogether and use a flourocarbon leader as opposed to mono. Hope it helps ya get into fish my friend.

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Hey there striper nubcake, skip those fish finder rigs all togther and just use a swivel as your slider. Rig up an 18" leader (I use 40 lb test, I wouldn't go lower than that) with a snap swivel on the end and use no less than a 7/0 hook. If ya find that crabs are stealing ur bait, rig up a float to attach to ur leader. Get yourself a bunch of foam bobbers, a package of colored beads and some Gorilla Glue, that's all ya need. Take your bobber and snap the plastic pieces/hook off and poke a small hole through the center just big enough for your line to pass through. Slide a bead onto the line keeping it 4-6 inches up from the hook, and tie a knot behind it. Then feed on your bobber, another bead on top of that with a knot above it. Put a dab of Gorilla Glue on both knots, and once it's hardened you'll have a nice seal so the float can't slide up/down your line. I'm sure there are more effective methods but this one does the trick for me and I rarely have any problems with it. Make sure ya tie a 3 way swivel directly to your main line, weight on one side and your leader off the other........if ya use a slider you'll end up floating the worms on top as the weight slides further and further up your line. The key to sandworms is the presentation, I do 'em up two at a time. Rig one through the head, feed it 1/2 way onto the hook and let the rest hang down. 2nd one rig through the back, almost like your hanging him on a hanger, and feed the hook slowly through the middle of it's body so it come out through the head between the pinchers. I've read a few posts on here about cutting the heads off of them (either 'cause they bite or to create a blood/scent trail) but I wouldn't. The toughest part of 'em is their head/mouth, I don't know how or why scientifically speaking, but I seem to fling a LOT less since rigging them this way. When the fish are around, they can't resist two helpless worms dangling in unison in the surf. If ya do decide, for whatever reason, to cut part of them to create a scent, I'd lop a little off their tail......though personally I don't bother, if they see 'em, they'll eat 'em. Good luck man, hope this helped!!!!


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Both clams and sandworms can be effective baits, I'd suggest having a little of each on hand, see what ya like better and what is more effective in ur area. I rig my clams on a 6/0 circle hook as well.......skip the float and just use a fluoro leader with a pyramid sinker on a slide if ya wanna stay on bottom. Floating will, for the most part, keep ya away from the crabs. If there is an abundance of seaweed in the area however, its time to give up the float and keep ur offering on bottom. Hope this helps man, good luck out there!!!!
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Old 06-24-2009, 12:28 PM
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Thanks Man! Me and my buddy are definitely going to try both baits out this week. We are going tonight through Saturday in the Rhode Island Vicinity. Thanks again for the pointers.
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Old 06-24-2009, 01:18 PM
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Fish the clams off a beach after a big blow. The clams get churned up from the bottom and the bass eat em up.
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Old 06-25-2009, 02:13 PM
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Good luck fishing as said above both can be good and I also try to have both along with chunks and or eels. But as BackBay said try clams after a good storm, rough seas. Here in NJ we use mostly Skimmer Clams

The time to "hit the beach" with clams is any time but the best is right after a storm with it's big surf conditions and strong currents. The best storms are Nor'easters. The stormy water will churn and scour the beach, breaking up clams in the surf. It's meal time for stripers. The best clams are Live Whole Skimmer Clams, they measure about 4 to 5 inches long in the shell. I prefer to use only the meat (muscle) of the clam and get rid of the offal and stringy parts (the clam's lips). The "presentation" should not be a huge glob of clam guts on a hook. The meat of one average clam is sufficient for two or three hooks. Thread the meat onto the hook, turn it and do it a 2nd and 3rd time making sure it's over the baitholder barbs and bury the hook point in the clam. I also use the crap I don't put on the hook to chum with. OR
There is another school of thought, the "Big Glob" theory which you can use when you are using large hooks, such as 6/0 baitholders or 8/0 circle hooks. In fact with circle hooks you basically need the whole clam to cover the hook completely.
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Old 06-26-2009, 12:04 AM
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in the question about clams. some people have an offensive smell to them genetically. your fingers have oils in them that (in some people are more prominent) and also absorb minerals and chemicals throughout the days and weeks. (some of which take time to escape your skin) guitar players collect copper/brass/iron oxides on their digits and this stays for a long time even when they're cleaned with abrasive soap as it is in the skin and is emitted when you sweat and exert them. construction workers/roofers/glaziers/duct mechanics/ all have a chemical and or mineral which is absorbed into the fingers. i fished with a friend who worked all day and bought the same clams as i did and we fished together. i used non latex rubber gloves which i scrubbed through the clam i first opened and rubbed off any contaminants may have been on them. i continued to put them on (as i always do) and fish. i caught ten bass that night and my buddy didn;t catch a one (yes he did - i got 2 keepers on at once and i let him catch a fish with one of the two rods i was fishing with. he washed his hands he said and just plain could not believe he was not getting a fish. nothing about his rigs/gear/presentation/ was different with the exception his hands had to have had some protein/bacteria/chemical/mineral/ or something the bass picked up on. so call me excentric but you really have to put merit into this as like i said, some people just have fish hands (like roc) and others have bad BO. .

now, leave all the clam in tact if you are using fresh clams in the shell. invest in a clam knife and shuck the clam open starting at one point in the side wiggling the knife in between the two shells, and then working it back to to hinge in both directions to unseat the membrane holding it closed, and turning the knife side to side will accomplish this. open it and run the knife under and along the membrane attatched to the outer part of the shell (which is a long rubberband looking membrane which is on upper and lower shell) and unseat the muscle from both top and bottom shell. then point the knife down along the bottom of the shell and from one end to the other unseat the pericardial cavity from the rear of the clam in tact and the whole clam is now in your hand.
if you are tying elastic line on your clams that too should be dipped in some clam shell to have no smell immediately tipping off the fish to it;s presence. running the hook through the visceral meat of the clam as if you were threading on a worm and then placing the yellowish tougher membrane on the hook last will keep iT on the hook longer. there is an elastic thread at the bait shop to buy and worth using as it will keep the clam on the hook throughout the cast. rubber bands will have a scent to them as when they are manufactured they put a powder on them to keep them from sticking to each other. (don;t remove the mantle/siphons muscle material surrounding the shell) hook them on the point of the hook last and weave them on so they too keep the clam on longer. in some cases i seldom use the elastic line to tie them on. the adductor muscles are just a waste and will fly off - there are two of them which look like scallops. you can leave them on and wind thread around them but it makes no difference as the elastic line you use should go around the shank of the hook and around the clam a few turns toward the bend of the hook, and down around the front of the tough membrane on the point and pull down onto the bend of the hook a few turns leaving the hook exposed. then wind it a turn or two just beneath the hook eye and back around the bend and up the hook shank and tie off just below the eye. some guys wind this stuff 20 times around the clam and squeeze the daylights out of it to get more of the juices flowing out, but this clam will not stay fresh for very long that way and will not look all that natural but will work as the smell is what they pick up on first and it is food. (if the bite is good it is fine to do)some people shun leaving the hook point showing as it may be a deterrent to the fish but your initial run will be the first opportunity to nail her with the j hook, but the circle hook point will not be a factor {till it is too late and she is hooked}. if it is spit right away not to worry as any subsequent hit or run is liable to be her or a different fish vying for the same bait, as it may spit it getting spooked by another fish or to avoid confrontation with another fish - or to get whatever shells are on it off before she inhales it. a quick pick up and drop you will know it. let her come back for it. if it runs with it and takes line (and here is where clams excell - if you fish a baitrunner reel it is okay as you can detect the hits correctly but a spinning reel is plain hard to not have a fish feel the tension on the line when it picks up the bait. by opening the bail and putting your middle and ring finger on the spool and pinching down on the line using your thumb and index finger allowing the line to feed out of your fingers you will now get a feel for the bite and can intuitively know when to close the bail and set the hook with a j hook. or using the circle hook (the bail is closed for that application) lift up on the rod as you feel the weight of the fish and then by lifting the rod gently you will feel the weight of the hooked fish. a slow and steady cast and not a herky jerky one is the key to not disturbing the bait too much. remember, the bass come close and not always out in timbuktoo. the clam will remain fresh for at least 15 or 20 minutes and then i change it. as it gets waterloged it loses it's potency and is harder for the fish to find. they will pick up on it;s scent from far away but need to zero in on it so give it at least a 20 minute stay or even a half hour if you are low in bait but be prepared to use alot of bait and that goes for bunker/herring/shad/or any other fish and that bait should be changed every 10 minutes. the hook is personal preference. a circle hook is ideal as it will hold the clam on better. a 7/0 or 8/0 is great for the larger clams on the market and you really need that hook point sticking outjust a little bit. the clam should be tied in a fashion that the meat is ran thruough the hook with the intent of keeping most of the meat to the back of the hook shank and not in front where the hook point is and will somewhat inhibit the circle to find it;s mark initially but not totally. when a fish picks it up you ever so slightly rear up on the rod and let the weight of the fish hook herself. the first opportunity to hook the fish comes now as if it is not hooked the first time the clam will have been pulled down to the bend of the hook and lodge itself into the point of the hook. the hook will turn in it;s mouth again after it is picked up a seconf time and the hook should find it;s mark but the mass of the bait is now in the way of the point of the hook which because there is some tied line on it, it is sometimes pulled down along with the clam and can inhibit the fish's jaw from catching the point in some cases. and also the least jump or jerk of the rod can pull the hook. this is hard to learn when all you know is j hooks and setting thier jaw into a 40 degree popeye cocked position. a bass will pick that clam up right away with fluorocarbon leader and not feel the hook point on a circle hook as fast as a j hook (and in the event of a short fish / a safer method of fishing as it can be released quite unharmed as the point 95 percent of the time catches the fish in the jaw.;( which i will venture circle hooks will be a law in our waters targeting anadromous fish like stripers come the next 2 years) THIS IS NOT IN THE ORDER I WOULD HAVE PREFERED IT TO BE AS IT SPEAKS OF THINGS SOMEWHAT OUT OF SEQUENCE BUT I AM SURE YOU WILL GET THE JIST OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED HERE.



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Old 06-26-2009, 01:17 AM
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HOLY ZIM ???? Call me before you do anything crazy. Your brain must be fried from that post. I only read 1/4 of it but will get back to it when I have a couple of days. I got skunked tonight for the 2nd night in a row besides the very early year hope fishing. Zim you should smell my fingers and explain to me the skunk smell. 2 times skunked all year is awesome but twice in a row has me very worried especially with the tougher summer fishing almost here.
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Old 06-26-2009, 06:43 AM
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stop carrying that pig head in your little white bucket....
the pork rind is suppose to work fine but a noggin will only spook the fish.




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Yet another way........

Live soft shell clams (steamers) from the local fish market or Stop & Shop.
Gently break up the shell (without mangling the meat too much). Remove about 1/2(or less) of the shell from both sides. Hook & toss. (works for tog too) I prefer fine wire circles just under the shell size.
Run hook in from the bottom (hole side), along the hinge side, and thru the neck with just a tad of iron hanging out between the halves..
With a pickup, as soon as the run starts... SET!

If possible, hand pick the biggest(2"+). Some fish markets will let you do this. I wouldn't bother with the "Farm Raised" versions though. They don't even taste good to me.
Easily spotted because the shells are unusually white and all the exact same size (small).

Leaving shell on helps bait to stay on the hook much better.
Stripers have no issues with crushing and spitting out some shell. Plus it's all natural for them to do so.
That's why I say a fairly quick hook set is called for. Or you'll risk a gut hook or the hook being spit out as shell.
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Old 06-26-2009, 08:00 PM
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Thanks to all of you for all of those pointers. i definitely plan on trying them out tmrow night. Thanks
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Old 06-27-2009, 09:52 PM
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I also like to use the Daiichi circle chunk light hook as it has a bait holder bard on the shank or just a plain bait holder, either way I like the elastic thread
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