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Old 12-29-2005, 06:04 PM
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Check out this thread from RT. After reading this I wish we had a license required for the upcoming season.





http://www.reel-time.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47327

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Old 12-29-2005, 06:52 PM
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That article put forth the best reasoning that I have read for the institution of a saltwater license. I've been dead against the idea of a license because till now I have always felt that the "bounty of the ocean" was something that should be available to anyone, including folks who might not have the wherewithal to pay extra dollars just to go fishing. But, greed rears it's ugly head, and because the netters fell the need, or the right, to take as many fish as they can, right up till the point that they're gone, then the best way to counter that is to organize the sportfishermen and register, or license them, to provide a large, organized group that has the political power to make things happen.....such as only the comms seem to have now.
So.....where do I sign up? I'd gladly spend $20 a year towards getting legislation that would keep the netters miles away from the beaches I fish, it would be better for the fish, and better for me. And I'm sure that not all the comms are bad or greedy, but if it comes down to them or me, well.........
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Old 12-29-2005, 06:58 PM
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It's a "catch-22". If each States individual Fish & Game had harsher penalties for those who break the laws, we probably wouldnt need such regulation as through a license. Yet, they still continue to tap these everyday losers on the wrist, and now they want to mandate this license thing? With threats of a Federal license over a State that doesnt "join up"?

Fine someone $500 dollars, first offense, when they dont OBIDE by the laws, and we'll see how many repeat offenders we get in a year and if we need regulation through licensing. You gotta hit people in the WALLET, its the only way to get through peoples thick skulls in the 21st century

If I have to pay, I'll pay. But I will shake me head because I cant understand how we let things get to such a point. I will say this, if this happens, the penalities for being caught fishing without a license should be HUGE! Not this 50 or 60 dollar horseshit.



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Old 12-29-2005, 07:29 PM
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I have always been against the saltwater licence but the
article makes for some great points. Essentially its to
have a voice against the federal commissions and legislators.
The article quotes "As CCA chairman Walter
Fondren puts it: "There is strength in numbers, but only
if someone is counting".

It makes sense to stand up and be counted.
Recently we saw the voice enmass with the cap on
menhaden tonnage in the Chesapeake bay for purse sieners.
Gunnysnipe recently opened up my eyes to Wallop-Breux.
It appears to be managed properly.
My biggest complaint about a fee was to deny access
to the poor. Perhaps a cap on the amount charged would be better.
Using the small fees for administration purposes and not lobbying.
The article by ted Williams makes for a compelling
argument for the institution of a Salt water licence
especially with the reciprocity idea.

Below is a column that spells out the dangers of state run excesses.
Va. DGIF spending practices examined
By Bill Cochran
ROANOKE.COM COLUMNIST

You had to like the way John Montgomery Jr.
handled the Department of Game and Inland
Fisheries? effort to examine the agency?s procurement
practices. During a DGIF committee meeting at the
agency?s headquarters in Richmond last week,
Montgomery, a department board member,
came by the press table and thanked the media
representatives for being there.
There were four of us.
He thanked the handful of guests present.
He said he and other representatives would be willing
to address questions at the
close of the meeting, although they would be limited in what
they could say. There was legal counsel present
to make certain everyone remembered that a state
auditor was in the process of reviewing credit card use
by several top officials of the agency.
It had been a long time since such feelings of openness
and good will were evident at a DGIF board function.
Was this the first step in restoring the credibility
and cordiality of the agency?
Let?s hope so, although dark days loom ahead.
Montgomery, a lawyer, is a new board member from
Sandston.
He and two other members were assigned by board
chairman Dan Hoffler to look into DGIF spending
practices following extremely bad publicity in the
wake of a 17-day African safari taken by Hoffler,
executive director Bill Woodfin and two high-ranking
game wardens.
Hoffler, Woodfin and the two wardens were not present
at the committee meeting, nor were any department heads,
with the exception of Ray Davis, the agency?s chief financial
officer. Davis was there to recommend checks and balances
to help assure that the department?s procurement practices
are above reproach.
What he didn?t recommend may have been the highlight
of the meeting. He did not recommend that employees cut
up their credit cards. The cards are essential for employees
to do their job, and they are cost effective,
Davis said.
The recommendations that were made included a
three-person committee to review credit card purchases
before and after
they are made. Events, travel or purchases of more than
$2,500 would require pre-approval by the review committee.
The recommendations are expected to be presented to the
full board during its March 24 meeting.
Attending the committee meeting was Lee Albright, a
Montebello resident who blew the whistle on what he called
questionable spending by agency officials. Afterwards he
said that the recommendations likely would not have
prohibited the credit card use being questioned because
it was carried out by top officials of the agency.
But in the future, officials will be aware someone is looking
over their shoulders, he said.
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Old 12-29-2005, 07:58 PM
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Bik K thanks for posting such a good article.
It may just be time to do something. Florida is the
model for success.
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Great post Big k. I think it would be a great idea to push these netters or commies out to sea a little more.
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I wish they would. But for some reason the punishments always seem to make it worthwhile for those who do things the "wrong way". Time to drop the hammer on those skunks.



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Old 12-30-2005, 08:37 AM
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Florida is the
model for success.
As usual, Williams has put forth specious arguments and drawn conclusions from unrelated happenings. For example, it is generally accepted that Florida's success is the result of banning most types of inshore netting. That happened at about the same time as the salt water license, but not because of it. It's like concluding that the crowing rooster causes the sun to rise. BTW, there's a move in Florida by the commercials to allow more types of inshore netting. How can that be possible?

The people that buy into his rhetoric are uniformed as to how the political process works. The "stand up and be counted" or "we'll get a seat at the table with licenses" is crap. The way to get things done are through lobbying. That involves showing up at hearings and funding lobbyists, just like commercials. It's plain and simple. Paying more tax will not do anything but drive recs AWAY, leaving more for the comms. It's economics 101 that the sheepish masses are glad to ignore.

FWIW, I generally introduce 5 to 10 people a year to SW fishing. Of those, about 2 to 5 continue on their own. Both paying for and the hassle of buying a license for any guests will significantly diminish that effort.
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Old 12-30-2005, 09:39 AM
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Ok to better educate the uninformed. The recreational fishing alliance is one lobbying organization dedicated to protecting the rights of boaters and fishermen.
Recreational Fishing Alliance
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Old 12-30-2005, 10:00 AM
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I don't mind spending the $20-30 on a fishing license if the money goes towards fisheries management and lobyists taking the voice of the recreational fishermen to the legislature.

We pay huge taxes in Maine for ocean property. No kids in school up there, trash collection is very infrequent, no mail delivery, I maintain the private path and walkway to the beach.....yet I can't even get the police to ticket illegally parked cars on my deadend street. Clammers come down, even park in my driveway, abuse the walkway I built, rape and litter the beach. Believe me, I'm not one of those beachfront snobs. If a family comes and asks, I'll let them park on my property. I even allow all the local kids to fish off my dock on the pond...supplying them with bait and expertise....and I tell them right upfront..the first time you abuse the privalige...you're outta here...and I've never had an issue. But these clammers and others that aren't respectful really piss me off. Maybe it's time for the glue-ru to pull the ole lock trick again.

Sorry for the rant. Anyway, my point is your tax dollars don't always go to where you'd like.

Roger does bring up an interesting arguement....once-in-a-blue-moon fishermen. People like my mother-in-law, who really wanted to catch a striper. Took her out once, she caught 2 stripers, got the pictures to prove it, showed all her friends......that was her first and last time. Paying $20-30 for that one fishing experience, does seem a little ridiculous.
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Old 12-30-2005, 10:17 AM
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Roger does bring up an interesting arguement....once-in-a-blue-moon fishermen.
Yea I know. These organizations were front and center on the Chesapeake bay Menhaden reduction cap.
Major lobbying organizations for recreational fishing
Coastal Conservation association
Congressional Sportsmens Foundation
CSF is a non-profit, 501(c)3 organization, funded by industry, hunting, fishing and wildlife conservation organizations, as well as fundraising events. CSF is also funded by grants awarded to the Foundation to carry out its education and research programs.
The lifeblood of CSF is our Sportsmen?s Council which unites conservation organizations, the sporting industry and individual hunters, shooters and anglers from around the country. Council members include groups whose concerns range from wildlife population management and land conservation to corporations and businesses who provide America?s sportsmen with the products and services they need to enjoy the great outdoors.
The RFA has 70,000 members and affiliates nationwide.
Donations are made to these organization from sports, boating and fishing equipment manufactures
Sportsmans partners
Coastal Conservation Organization of Floridasea watch newsletter is underwritten by orvis.
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It certainly helps us all to be better informed about both sides of the issues. Like what is wallop-breux and what and whom drives the engine for the recreational sector.
We the uninformed masses just pay for everything.
Thats who we are.
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Old 12-30-2005, 01:25 PM
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I don't mind spending the $20-30 on a fishing license if the money goes towards fisheries management and lobyists taking the voice of the recreational fishermen to the legislature.
Legislators
You know how they are, They take the money and run. The next thing you know .20 cent will go to fishing and the rest in there pocket. I just don,t trust them.
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I don't mind spending the $20-30 on a fishing license if the money goes towards fisheries management and lobyists taking the voice of the recreational fishermen to the legislature.
Lobyists are only paid privately. No tax/license money can go to them, nor can they be funded by 501C3 organizations. You need to make contributions directly to affiliated lobbying arms of these organizations. In RI contributions should be made to the RISAA PAC.
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