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Old 07-12-2007, 03:24 PM
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Default Where would you go Boston Harbor area tom Morn 5am Dead low

Just looking for some advice. I will be going out of weymouth port heading into boston harbor area. I have been catching a lot of dogfish around minot light and am gonna try the quincy-boston harbor area. Any ideas would be great seeing that it will be dead low tide and I will be fishing til around 8:30. Thanks in advance. Also any idea on how not to catch dogfish besides switching to lures and not using live bait. This is my first year with a boat and I have gone out about 5 times no blues or stripers for me personally.
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Old 07-12-2007, 03:50 PM
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Default Re: Where would you go Boston Harbor area tom Morn 5am Dead low

My first suggestion would be to get out earlier in the AM. Pre-dawn.

The sun starts coming up at 4AM. So you should be trying to get on
the water then. Maybe even earlier.

I would stay closer to port and work the shallows in your area. Looks like
you would want to be on the spot by full ebb. Then prepare for the
incoming tide... Approach the area quietly!

You've got tons of places to fish around Weymouth by boat. There would
be little need to travel 10-15 miles when you could be spending less money
by fishing local and changing your approach. That's the only way to
avoid dog sharks. If you pull in 1 dog shark, pull anchor and move...
Where's there's 1....There's a 100.

The issue I believe is time of day. Daylight has its pluses but finding fish
in it is a little harder when the water temps rise and the sun comes out.

You should review where you've been and tweak it a little.

I plan my adventure by first reviewing charts...Have you downloaded
maptech's free software yet?

Good luck

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Old 07-12-2007, 04:04 PM
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Default Re: Where would you go Boston Harbor area tom Morn 5am Dead low

Thanks so much for the info. I have not downloaded anything and am not aware of any software. I am brand new to fishing on a boat. I am slowly learning. I always used live bait from shore. I never used lures ever even in fresh water. I am used to worms on the swift river catching rainbow trout. I appreciate the advice and will target some of the islands closer to weymouth.
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Old 07-12-2007, 06:10 PM
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Default Re: Where would you go Boston Harbor area tom Morn 5am Dead low

There's a previous post from last year about maptech and free charts.

But here is the short version.

goto the following:

http://www.maptech.com/support/doc.c...TOKEN=32196915


Select/download/install CHTNAV_English...

Now you have to the base software!

Then goto:

http://www.freeboatingcharts.com/

Enter search by map (right side)...


Enter Weymouth, MA

You'll then be presented with a list of options.

Select "Weymouth"

You'll then be shown a list of maps....Download and select them all.


Now you're going to need an account... You'll have to create one...
Don't worry, its free! Put in you email address.

You'll need to enter that account info on the next page to get the
status number that links the down load file. It will get emailed to you.

Once you get the confirmation number emailed to you.

Use it to download the file.

Once you down load the file, you'll need to get the charts loaded.
Its a pretty simple process... Almost idiot proof. Lets see if you
can pass the test!

When you are planning your trip. The chart with all you edits and
comments, routes, etc can be printed... Nice right...

Then at least you'll have a plan! It won't get you fish. But a plan
is better then motoring your boat around wondering where to drop a
line!
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Old 07-12-2007, 07:04 PM
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Oh,

Don't forget to install JTides as well....

http://www.arachnoid.com/JTides/index.html

Jim has a link to it on the main web page.

You'll need to get the latest JDK but all the instructions are there on
the JTides url.

No need wonder what the tides are. JTides works great and is always
at your fingertips.

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Old 07-13-2007, 08:13 AM
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Default Re: Where would you go Boston Harbor area tom Morn 5am Dead low

Right now the further you go out the more dogs your gonna catch. Try trolling in and around the islands.....a tube and worm would be a nice idea. Check out a chart beforehand so you know what type of bottom structure/depth your dealing with. Witht the tube and worm I suggest an area with a sandy bottom, such as peddocks island. hint hint
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Old 07-13-2007, 01:43 PM
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Ok so the day started off bad when I went to go fill up the tank of gas and no gas stations were open. Then I go to turn the key and the boat does not turn over.. then after I tightened the terminals and got her started i hit bottom cause it was so low.. almost lost my prop. but i caught it in time. So I headed out to nut island and trolled my way out from weymouth port. Nothing.. then I went out to the end of long island and deer island and got nothing..used mackeral and pogies chuck bait.. no luck..so what the hell am I doing wrong???????? besides being an idiot for the way I prepare to go out!!!!
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Old 07-14-2007, 09:58 PM
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Nope, We've all done it many times over.

July 5th(I think Thursday). I fished all night long with bumps and
brush ups all night long.

I stayed in pretty much one general location and didn't change up
my tatics. Well, I didn't catch a single thing. Well, I may have gotten
one blue...

two days later I was back at it and left the dock at 8PM. Got back
at 3:30Am with cuts and bruises from fish taking out line... I changed
things up a bit. Moved a few hundred yrds this way or that. Chunked
bait a bit harder and found the fish. I was determined! I lost count
after an hour. I was by myself but anyone out in the river near me that
night knew when I landed fish. Oh, I forgot to mention that I ran aground
that night too...Lucky I didn't have a full tank of gas on board else I'd
of been stuck hard for hours.

Yesterday was another situation. We went out with 4 on my boat.
Fished in daylight at the beginning trolling 4 lines. 2 umbrella and 2 top water divers.

We found that the umbrella rig that had herring like pattern was king.
Softbait type umbrella... We shortened up the leaders so they wont
tangle. Fish were mostly from 19"-24"

We started at about 3PM...At one point we worked outside in open water in rocky areas
that had lots of structure. Well, no fish to be found. A 3 mile trip each way
for nothing.

We then proceeded to the river mouth opening and stayed off the side
along the jetties of the merrimac. We did pick up a few blues but no
stripers...We were chunking herring on a 3-way.

We were waiting out the tide until the incoming had begun. The current
on the incoming is much easier to fish. We drifted and chunked with 2.5 oz sinkers and 3.5 oz sinkers. We hit fish in some spots and other times
we drifted away from them.

We had to move as the bite moved away. Or rather when it got out of range.

We opted to anchor and we had a good feeling as the tide was turning back
out that the fish would begin to find us. They did not disappoint.

I only say that because you'll hear everyone say it. If your out there
giving it your all. You will eventually find fish.

We fished from 3PM straight thru till about 6:30AM this morning. Boated about
a dozen blues and somewhere in the nieghborhood of 70-80 stripers. Kept
2 fish in the low-2-mid-30" range for the grills and all the blues.

That was 14 hrs on the water. Then another hour or so cleaning the boat up
from the mess we made... It was an ugly nasty mess of trash and fish guts
all over the place. My boat is a piece of crap but its reliable and safe. You
just don't want to eat food that's dropped on the floor...

Its trial and error, believe me I'll have many more outings where I catch
nothing. Makes nights like last night that much more meaningful. You
have to be out fishing to make it happen.

Keep the spirits and keep trying.

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Old 07-15-2007, 07:00 AM
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Default Re: Where would you go Boston Harbor area tom Morn 5am Dead low

where did you hit bottom?

I bet it was leaving that back river channle near that green can(I forget which one) It's right next to some island....the sand bar goes out almost to that green can at low tide. I hit that at night to before going really really really slow fortunantly. I was dissorientated and it was dark....but I learned my lesson. As soon as I realized I was on the sand bar I raised my prop all the way and was in waist deep water pusing my boat out. Did I mention it was raining too? That night sucked.....
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