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Old 02-19-2008, 01:19 AM
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Default Re: Manual Pick-up VS. Standard Bailer

True and false. you do need to be aware how much oil is in your reel - they do sometimes leak and using it dry can be catastrophic.

Weigh it on a fine scale
If you know someone who reloads bullets those are by far the best scales for the job. They measure in grains which are very small increments and are very precise. They have to be or people can go boom, which is a bad thing.
Every now and then reweigh the reel to make sure it hasn't lost any weight.
If it does, send it in for service, you're gettin low on oil.
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Old 02-19-2008, 01:14 PM
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Thanks Suds. I was hoping you would weigh in on that one.
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Old 03-01-2008, 08:38 PM
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All i can say is what a reel.
http://www.zeebaas.com/index.html

Dual roller system as a counterbalance. The ability to change to any size spool and have One roller - two rollers or even a bail.
It wont help you catch fish but for 900 bucks you think it ought to.
It will however add to your confidence. The drag is unbelievable.
The different spools are $269
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Old 03-02-2008, 06:41 PM
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Default Re: Manual Pick-up VS. Standard Bailer The VS and Zeebaas

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Old 03-02-2008, 07:13 PM
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Shimano Spheros and the Saragosa models now have bailess models that they started selling overseas in December 2007.

Shimano also makes a bailess kit for the Saragasos and the Spheros models.

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Old 03-03-2008, 08:02 PM
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Anyone willing to give us an evaluation on the zeebaas?
Dual or single roller. Roughy?
Owners?
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Old 03-04-2008, 01:08 AM
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Anyone willing to give us an evaluation on the zeebaas?
Dual or single roller. Roughy?
Owners?

You send me the reel and I will evaluate the hell outta it

So on to my question... Looking for a Penn 705 or 707, besides ebay and yard sales where should I be looking? Gotta be a lefty cause you know Im all messed up. They've got em on ebay NIB for crazy $$ but Im looking for something to beat the hell out of. Any suggestions?

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Old 03-04-2008, 01:52 AM
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Default Re: Manual Pick-up VS. Standard Bailer -- Van Staal vs. Zeebaas

Bryan you can reverse the handle on all the spinfisher series.
Manual bails were available for these but aweful hard to find.

850SS, 750SS, 650SS, 550SS
8500ss, 7500ss, 6500ss

I think Tom from Ct. (Baitfish) had a 705 that he was willing to sell or trade last year but I havent seen him around.
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Old 03-05-2008, 09:38 PM
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i can give you a fair evaluation of the zeebaas
i have had mine since june of 07 and i have beaten the snot out of it
fished everywhere from montauk to both north and south shores of long island and on boats
i have dropped reel in sand and dunked it in surf to wash it out and it performed flawlessly
the drag is silky smooth
i never owned a vs but was going to buy one till i saw the zee
i have not serviced the reel to date and have broken it down to clean it and it didnt need it
i love it so much i am going to buy another one
its a sweet reel and at 1300$ that it cost me was quite an extravagance
but as was stated earlier you have to take into consideration the application of your chosen tool and the big question is not just performance but durability and the zee is top notch in both catagories
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Default Re: Manual Pick-up VS. Standard Bailer -- Van Staal vs. Zeebaas

Thanks mike.

for future reference
The Bailess Retrieve or Manual pickup video
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Old 03-07-2008, 05:03 PM
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I am a VS owner and think they are great reels. HOWEVER-the annual service cost has gotten out of hand. This year cost me $300. I will no longer be sending thme in as they are not warrantied anymore. If they end up in pieces I'll send em back. I will be purchasing a ZX27RD when they become available. I believe the drag system to be superior to VS. The cost $939 is reasonable compared to a VS @ $729 and you can service the Z yourself. I plan on punishing this reel endlessly as it will spend most of its time submerged. The rest of the time I'll be banging it against a rock. I don't own a boat and think the amount of money I spend on surf gear-which is alot I'll admit-is nothing compared to Boat maint. service,fuel,ins. etc. I'll get back to ya in The summer as to how it holds up
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Old 03-08-2008, 06:48 PM
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Default Re: Manual Pick-up VS. Standard Bailer -- Van Staal vs. Zeebaas

blasko
im planning on getting that reel also
you will be happy
the zees are a beast
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Old 03-22-2008, 08:38 PM
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Dual roller system as a counterbalance. The ability to change to any size spool and have One roller - two rollers or even a bail.
I should clarify that the .20 and the .23 Zeebaas reels have spools that can change without having to change out the rotors.
To change out the spools and or bail and rollers on the other models the rotor must be changed as well.
This is certainly not cost effective. The attraction therefore would be in the durability and self maintenance of the reel.
Perhaps in the future with increased production it will become more cost effective to change systems.
As it is now you might as well just own the different sized reel.
PS.
The dual roller system makes it ridiculously easy to pick up the line for retrieval.
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Old 04-22-2008, 11:02 PM
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Self-service kits are avilable from zeebass and the handle housing is removeable using a 22 mm open ended wrench.
They also sell a synthetic grease which changes from red to pink if there's a breach in the seal.
If the seal is breached and you were ever to get water inside you'll know about it. The grease is formulated to absorb water and prevent any internal parts from damage.
http://www.zeebaas.com/self_maintenance.html
The Backlogs on production is approaching 4 months.

To compete with the no doubt quality Zeebaas reel , Van Staal is making a tool kit available for self service and reportedly will be lowering the prices on their reels.
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Default Re: Manual Pick-up VS. Standard Bailer -- Van Staal vs. Zeebaas

just read this thread..Googan question..not that we got rid of the bale for the 3 advantages....how does a reel without a bale work?
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