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Old 02-18-2008, 11:28 AM
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Hey all,
I'm completely new to the world of striped bass and I have a couple questions. I plan on fishing this year with 65lb braided line on a spinning reel and my questions are....
-What pound test mono should my shock leader be?
-Currently I'm experimenting with connecting my braided line to heavier/thicker mono with an albright knot, but I can see the tag ends of this potentially getting cought on the eyes of the rod upon casting. Besides trimming down as best as possible, is there a simple solution to this tag end problem that I'm just missing.
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Old 02-28-2008, 05:56 PM
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Hi, and welcome to the board.

Every one has their own technique so you'll probable get different replies. I'm lazy so when I plug I tie a three to four foot length of fluorocarbon to a spro swivel and attach that to the main line. I then tie a snap to the tag end to connect the plugs. It makes it easier to change the leader if it gets nicked. It also makes for quick lure changes.

If your useing heavy braid I don't think you really need a shock leader. What size plugs are you throwing?
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Old 02-28-2008, 10:11 PM
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fifty different guys, fifty different answers to this one .i dont know where you will be fishing but 65 # is pretty heavy stuff. lots of guys do what you do with the albright from braid to mono or flouro,good idea if your afraid of sucking a barrel swivel up into your rod tip.depends alot on the length of leader you intend on using.i do the same as khary, 50# braid,to barrel swivel to flouro to breakaway snap.as khary said ,it enables you to go quickly from plug to jig to metal to whatever without fumbling in the dark. but to each his own ,maybe some others will post up and you will find something you like. good luck!
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Old 02-29-2008, 07:54 PM
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With 65# braid, IMO, you don't need the shock leader. I use with my super lines a swivel and 36"s of 50# fluoro or mono leader.
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Old 03-02-2008, 12:22 PM
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Thanks for the replies, khary23 on this setup described I don't think I plan on plugging as much as I do chunking. The setup is a:
-tsunami 12' rated for 6-10oz of weight


For plugcasting I have an 8' rod rated for 1-3oz spooled with berkly 20lb test. (but I don't seen to use this as much when fishing from the surf, which is why I got the bigger rod for chunking on those days where I just can't seem to get enough casting behind my plug)
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Old 03-02-2008, 02:24 PM
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What kind of chunking rig are you going to use?
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Old 03-02-2008, 03:37 PM
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Default Re: Leader/knot Question

Tom
Read this article on shockleaders Theres not much you can do if you dont use a propper knot outside of changing the eyelet to a bigger diameter. Tied correctly your knot must must have a slim profile.
Try a little crazy glue on it if you must use it. Like it has been said. If your throwing that kind of weight and your running line is 20 pound test then you'll need a shock leader.

You wont need it with 60 pound braid.
Just use a regular 2 to three foot flouro or mono leader when using braid. Too long and your sinker will helicopter.

Heres another suggestion for a knot. Its for a light line to a heavier line.
I use it a lot and its always worked for me.
Ps I use it to eliminate hardware when tying leaders to braid.
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Old 03-02-2008, 10:20 PM
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Jim, thanks for the link and the knot picture, I haven't tried that knot as of yet so I'll definetly give it a try.

khary23, what do you mean by "what kind of chunking rig"? lol, sorry I can be oblivious to the most obvious stuff sometimes.
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Old 03-02-2008, 10:44 PM
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I meant if you are useing a fishfinder rig or a three way rig Check out this link

https://www.stripers247.com/chunkingbaitforstripers.htm
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If you are chunking then you need a shock leader that can be tied with an Alberto knot. For every ounce it is 10# test shock leader . . .
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Old 03-08-2008, 02:13 PM
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I use the Alberto knot on my leader to braid, with conventional reels.
But Jim, I like that knot you got there. I'm gonna try that.
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Old 03-09-2008, 12:32 AM
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I think its version of the slim beauty. I dont know how it would hold up to a real cow. But it holds 8 ounce sinkers and bunker. If you think about a knot in the line wheres it gonna go? It would have to break the overhand knot.
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I use the Alberto knot on my leader to braid, with conventional reels
I watched Alberto tie that knot and the end result is sweet with a real slim profile. 65 pound braid to 60 flouro. The tag ends are trimmed real close.
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Old 03-09-2008, 01:09 AM
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you gotta secure the simple simon after it;s done. sometimes the knot will slip out on a 60 or 80lb shock leader. some braids are not friendly to this knot. it is the kind of knot that warrants close attention and or periodic changes as it will ultimately weaken at the stress point and can rip out at that juncture if you set the hook with gorrilla like force. one needs to know what he;s dealing with when securing and tying knots. it is one of the most vital aspects (if not THE most) of fishing imo.

the slim beauty is my go to leader to tippet knot but is more elaborate than that image. i double the tippet line and on the other end i do a modified alberto on the return it takes some doing with a heavier line but i wouldn;t use it for heavy mono anyway.,



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Old 03-09-2008, 01:21 AM
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some braids are not friendly to this knot
Paulie which knot?
The simple simon meaning that granny clinch? If so what do you mean secure it. Crazy glue or something?
The thicker end gets the overhand knots.
The braid end is clinched along the inside of the leader and reinserted at the first loop and cinched.
I suppose it could slip if not wrapped enough.

Next time we get together we'll do a little break test on it and know for sure.
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Old 03-09-2008, 01:26 AM
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the alberto knot (same as a simple simon) i can;t say which was named first or who actually was the "inventor" if you will. i give the credit to crazy al as he put it out there for me to use/ like all knots a smaller profile line always works flawlessly but jumping up to heavier gauge lines needs more attention to detail is all.



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