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Old 07-12-2009, 09:02 PM
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Default Changing hooks on plugs

I hope I'm asking these questions in the right section.

I understand that it all depends on the lure action but. Is there a rule of thumb on hook sizes when changing the hooks on your plugs? Do I go up one size on the front hook or use the same size just stronger? When changing the back hook from a treble to single how much larger single do I use? I will be tying either bucktail or saddle hackle to the single hooks. Just looking for a starting point.

I know that the density of saltwater is different than that of fresh but can I test lure action in the pond behind the house. I.E. test a lure change hooks and retest. If the action is still good would that relate when I get to a beach?

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Tom
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Old 07-13-2009, 07:23 AM
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I hope I'm asking these questions in the right section.

I understand that it all depends on the lure action but. Is there a rule of thumb on hook sizes when changing the hooks on your plugs? Do I go up one size on the front hook or use the same size just stronger? When changing the back hook from a treble to single how much larger single do I use? I will be tying either bucktail or saddle hackle to the single hooks. Just looking for a starting point.

I know that the density of saltwater is different than that of fresh but can I test lure action in the pond behind the house. I.E. test a lure change hooks and retest. If the action is still good would that relate when I get to a beach?

Thanks again,
Tom
what plugs/lures are you talking about?



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Old 07-13-2009, 03:45 PM
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Zimno,

Thanks for answering. Mostly the Bomber type. I've read that I should also change the hooks on Gibbs, Super Strike, Yosuri plus any other brand that doesn't use extra strong hooks. I have Mustad 3x trebles. I notice some Gibbs are marked that they have VMC 4x hooks so I would leave them as is, unless rust forces me to change them.
I thought it strange to go against a lure designer with their choice of hook. But am constantly reading that all the sharpies recommend changing them. When in Rome.

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Old 07-18-2009, 01:32 AM
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I use Gamakatsu on my Poppers.

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http://www.xtackle.com/Gamakatsu-Treble-Hooks.aspx

"Magic Eye" works well
http://www.xtackle.com/gamakatsu-tre...magic-eye.aspx
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Old 07-18-2009, 08:18 AM
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I have used a few different hooks for these changes. I normally use either Gamakatsu or VMC hooks. I like to use the 2x or 4x hooks but have used almost all of them. I have had good luck with the VMC Barbarian hooks.
If I'm not sure what size hook to use I can usually guess and be right on or off 1 size. When changing my hooks I always change out my stock split rings. I find many of the stock rings are not Stainless and are also very weak.
If I find the swimming is effected usually I can just change out the rear hook to a smaller one. Some times you can get the right movement by having a smaller hook in rear(this being the correct size hook) and still leaving a slightly larger front one.
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Old 07-18-2009, 02:47 PM
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I change the hooks on Bombers to change the action. A larger hook in front, no hook in the middle and a siwash on the tail will make it dig a little deeper.
The same size/weight hook that it comes with, no hook in the middle and a bit of bucktail on some wire with no hook on the tail will give it a snakey, on the surface action.

Older Bombers must have the crappy hooks and split rings changed out, they finally upgraded the quality on the newer ones so they're OK out of the package.
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Old 07-21-2009, 11:47 AM
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Older Bombers must have the crappy hooks and split rings changed out, they finally upgraded the quality on the newer ones so they're OK out of the package.
I find that most of the older lures are the same. Thin cheap hooks and very cheap split rings. I changed out hooks and split rings on about 20 older lures and some newer ones also. All the old lure's split rings were rusting and bent without much pressure using pliers, I was surprised. My biggest worry on most of the lures are the split rings as I have had some fail in the past. Many folks overlook the split rings. Most of the lures I changed out recently were smaller fresh water lures as I do the saltys that need it when I get them.
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Default Re: Changing hooks on plugs

Thanks for all the replys,

What brand and size single hooks do you use when changing out that rear treble. Also what brand split rings do you all recommend. I'll assume you would use the same size. Lastly where do I get a scale to measure the weight of a hook.

Thanks again
Tom
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Old 07-22-2009, 09:24 PM
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"Lastly where do I get a scale to measure the weight of a hook."

This is what i use to weigh hooks, you can get it at your local head shop.



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Old 07-23-2009, 01:52 PM
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Tales,

Thanks. Going to get to the beach for a few days next week.

Tom
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