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Old 04-14-2006, 01:33 AM
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I was just interested in some of your thoughts on paying your dues learning how to fish for stripers. It certainly can be an elusive SOB but knowing its habits and learning how to to scout spots, the proper ways of reading water and beaches. Learning structure, tides, currents, moon phases, forage, feeding and spawning habits, plugs, baits, wind and various other subtleties that go into hunting striped bass.
It can take years to learn this properly. I know some of the guys here spent as much as 40+ years learning it. I wish I had a mentor to teach me how to do it but I didnt so I gladly listened to what I could from other fishermen I fished with. For the most part It was something that this loner could do all by himself. So learning from someone else was rare for me. I was lucky enough to have some guys who worked with me fish like I did, all night and into the next night. I spent most of the time with cut bait and sand worms and caught an awesome amount of fish with that method. Some advice was good and some was terrible. Many of the fish in the beginning were slammer blues, they would hit like freight trains from the surf in the summer time. Then summer would give way to fall and bass. Years of bad knots, crappy gear, improper or malfunctioning drag settings all are now improved through trial and error.
Never in my life did I ask someone for a spot. Nor did someone teach me how to throw a plug. I watched others, read as much as I could and went out and practiced with the same damn plug over and over till my hands, knuckles and fingers were cut, scraped or bleeding. Lost more plugs than caught fish and didnt catch many fish at all. Then I would try to get a feel for the next plug and then the next one.
I kept my eyes and ears open and looked for other night lights on the beach and then went there at low tide to look at the bottom to see if I could discover anything out about the place that was static or dynamic. Its a lot harder these days because of physical limitations and I have a long long way to go but maybe in a few more years I can say i feel like Im a decent fisherman. But until that time ill just keep plugging along and learning as much as I can from all you guys. There is nothing on Gods green earth like being at the surf in a mystical fog waiting for moby fish to happen by and the battle is on.
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Old 04-14-2006, 04:59 AM
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That was very nice Jim
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Old 04-14-2006, 05:55 AM
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Very nice post Jim, by the sound of it you have definitly paid your dues. Got the stickers today,,thanks alot.
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Old 04-14-2006, 06:08 AM
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That's why I'm glad there is a site like this where I can learn from others who have put in some time,it's almost like cheating in a way,but where as I'm not fortunate enough to live by the coast 1 1/2 to 2 hour drives to hit my favorite fishing holes I can't spend as much time doing it as I'd like to.So any knowledge I can gain and be more productivewith the time spent on the water is great.Though some of the freshwater tactics are quite similar and my years of large and small mouth fishing can be applied it's great to learn more to compile on top,thanks to all you seasoned vetrans for your insight,it's very much appreciated.
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Old 04-14-2006, 07:06 AM
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Thats why, you should join a club and fish with a buddy. learn faster. When your by yourself,its like working alone. Nice post Jimmy.
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Old 04-14-2006, 07:40 AM
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Very nice Jim, you (and others) may remember a reply I posted last summer as "where" I got my fish, I went into a rant about paying your dues, how I had fished in fog, rain, and wind,went days.. and weeks with out catching anything,spending my "spare time" studying Morone-saxatillis, giving up time with family and friends, getting lost in back water creeks getting eaten alive by mosquitoes, surviving a boat sinking (out of sheer cussidness) skinning my shins on rock, scraping my hide on barnecles etc.. etc... It took over 30 years of dedicated fishing, lack of sleep and alot of sheer misery to know what I know now, everyone likes to see pictures of big fish and hear stories of their capture , no one is realy interested in what it took to get there, there are those in every fishing comunity that always seem to get the biggest fish, or more importantly consistantly get into fish, it's not an accident, they went through what I went through, now I can actualy enjoy my striper fishing, I have to say the first 20 years were not as fun as the last 10... so I thank you Striper Jim for bringing to light a side of striper fishing that few talk about that side is the "journey" it's what in my eyes makes a striper fisherman, not how many or how big, but how dedicated to the pursuit of striped bass one is... those are the people I want to help the most...

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Old 04-14-2006, 08:14 AM
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you veterans are so true, even though i am still fairly new to this myself, it seems every trip entails lost tackle, faulty equipment, injuries, and so on. for every trip i have a story. without that i dont think i would love it as much as i do. i look forward to many more years of stories, and i look forward mostly to catching that cow. then it will all be worth it.
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Old 04-14-2006, 09:25 AM
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I am 6'2" but after reading this, I feel 2'6". It is indeed an honor to be on this site and to glean the wisdom and knowledge of you seasoned veterans. You are like the Striper Special Forces. I don't feel worthy some how, but gratefull Maybe we should make a hat or a patch as a small way of honoring Striper veterans. I have been fishing all my life, all over the world, and never learned of stripers untill I was in a position that I couldn't fish for them. Now the opportunity has come and this site - the veterans advise, has been invaluable. Thank you to all who have paid the price through the years to learn the ways of our prey and are willing to share that with the less learned. Perhaps in the future, we could organize a Striped Bass fishing fair and Tournament. Just a thought but all week long we could have some of you teaching classes on the "how to".
Thanks again, keep up the hunt.
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Old 04-14-2006, 09:55 AM
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After reading that post Rocco, I felt sorry for you. You realy had it bad. I have been fishing for 50 years. I never looked at it that way. I just thought I was a lucky guy , just to be out there fishing with my buddy all the time. When I think back, I did the same thing . I look back and think of all the nice people I meet over the years and the nice times I had. I don't think of my wife saying, your going again
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Old 04-14-2006, 10:15 AM
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Sea-Sea, no need to feel bad for me, it was all my own choosing, to be one of the best at what you do takes great sacrifice, weather in business, sports or fishing, I chose my path, I gave up just about all other endeavors to pursue stripers, I lay awake many night just thinking on ways to do what I do better, I'm happy with my achievements and would do it again if the opportunity presented itself... I have one goal left, thats to catch a 50 lb bass on a fly, I figure Ive got a good window here, there are enough big fish around (and will be for awhile) to make it a possibility and not a pipe dream , I figure I can get enough years out of my battered body to get 'er done, I've ordered a 9' 10 wt St. Croix fly rod blank, that will be my weapon to get the deed done, I havent chosen my reel yet but I wont skimp on it when I do, I may get only one chance... I wont blow it because of a cheap reel...
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Old 04-14-2006, 10:19 AM
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Jim called it "Paying your dues", Roc called it "The Journey", whatever you want to call it, I was doing it last Saturday night, Tues evening, Thursday evening, I was fishing a lot but I wasn't catching much. And it was still better than being home watching tv, or sitting at the bar. I've given up on the backwaters for the time being and moved out front not because I think I'm more likely to catch a fish there, but because I just enjoy fishing off the beach, for me, it's more fun to be out there in the surf. And I know the fish will come, and I plan on being there when they do. With the weather finally starting to cooperate, I plan on being on the beach A LOT.
Cause, that's what I like.

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Old 04-14-2006, 12:27 PM
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There are no shot cuts to success in life, and that includes fishing success as well. Reading all you can, fishing with other experienced fishermen, and conversing with others on a forum like this will aid in stream-lining the process, but won't insure your fishing success. You still have to put in your time.

Here's an example of what I mean. I've fished for large mouths all my life. Several years ago, a friend of mine challenged me. We fished from the same boat and used the same bait (black rubber worms from Berkley) for 2 hours. I caught ten fish, he caught nothing. Why was that? It's because there's so much more to catching fish then using the right bait, in the right spot, at the right time. Technique, presentation skills, being able to read the specific area of water you're fishing, and having confidence in your abilities, are developed over time. There are no short-cuts to that skill-set

That's why I love fishing......it's a never-ending journey in learning, full of surprises, happiness, and yes, disappointments too.
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Old 04-14-2006, 10:09 PM
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Great posts guys. Jim, you mentioned such a great tool, one that is so underrated and underutilized by most, and thats the "Low Tide Creep" lol. Creepin up N down studying the coastline at low tide.... I learned so much I never knew before doing that over about 4 or 5 years.

I have been fishing since I was 7 or 8, and the last 5 years or so full tilt and full throttle and almost everyday.....and I still suck Hell, I can put up a good fight against a nice bassy and hold my own, and I can find a few decent fish here and there, I know where to look, but there are many many more years, decades actually, of smashed in ankles and shins, torn up elbows, sleepless nights, etc. for me. Alot of people think its a cake walk. But I think its true when someone says nobody wants to hear about the travels, the trekking, and the journey it took to learn. After my 2 older brothers pretty much quit fishing, I was left any real dependable "fishing buds". But through the blessing of this board that Jim created and put online, I was able to meet some great people, who have become very good friends that I enjoy hanging with more than friends that I have known almost all my life So that in itself speaks volumes. I have also been VERY lucky to have been taken under the wing of a guy that is, in all honesty, one of my heroes, and that guy is Roc. Under his tutelage I have not only had an immeasurable amount of great fun, but have also learned a great deal, sometimes in fact so much that I get headaches because my brain cannot process all the info I hope that one day I can be even half the fisherman he is.

Lots of people close to me say I'm crazy...fishing for 8 hours straight, at night, until my muscles freeze and my body can longer even move itself because of the repetitive motion. I think its fun Thats what I consider fun. They say I'm stupid because I'll be a cripple or something when I get older because I beat myself to a pulp all for a fish. But I dont care....Striped Bass are my passion in life and I wont stop. "Can't stop, won't stop."

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Old 04-15-2006, 09:06 AM
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Tony that is very true the skill still has to be honed,but what i was refering to was the infinte knowledge of those on this site who have paid their dues and gained all that they know and applied into wisdom,so now someone like me who is relatively new to striper fishing,but has paid some time on fresh water can apply their knowledge into my own wisdom and hone it into a skill.And to all that share your blood,sweat,and tears with us I say thanks,and you deserve all the success you achieve out on the water.
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Old 04-15-2006, 02:02 PM
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The journey continued for me today, yes, I paid some dues.....I hit the beach before sunrise, me, some clams, and some coffee, and I tied one on and threw it out there and enjoyed the morning for about 45 minutes till I got tired of just standing there holding the rod, so I put it in the spike I had waiting, and turned back to my stuff to setup the plugging rod. Had the clicker on, and heard a little "click-click-click" behind me, turned around and saw the rod tip bouncing, not a lot, but not in time with the waves, either. So I walked up, picked up the rod and put a little tension on the line, and sure enough I can still feel "tap-tap-tap" on the line and I haul back and BLAM!
GAME ON!! WOOOOHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

"tink"

Sucker was strong, and after a 3 second run down the beach it ran right into some pilings at an outflow pipe and cut my line. First fish of the season off the beach for me, and the little %$#&*@ broke off in 3 seconds.
This was NOT the little schoolies I was catching up till January, this was a FISH.
Chalk up a couple of lessons, I guess,
1 Turn the damn fish before he gets to the structure.....I'm not sure I could have even if I'd had the presence of mind to think of it.....this fish covered so much ground so fast, I was ill prepared to deal with it. The fish ran to my left so fast that all I was doing was swiveling in place trying to aim the rod towards where she was going.
2 Don't follow the fish with the rod!!!!!! If I had held the rod in the position I started in, I might have had a lot more leverage to turn the fish.
Damn.
Anyway, I was setup in between this outflow pipe and a jetty, they're about 75 yards apart I guess, and I was in the middle on the beach. I've caught more bass here than any other spot I've fished, mostly because I've spent more time at this spot than anywhere else. Luckily, at the time that this all happened, the beach and the boardwalk were virtually deserted, cause I was saying things very loud that I don't normally say in public.
Only other fish of the day was a skate.
Oh Well, can't wait to try again. At least there's fish out front now.

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