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Old 05-09-2016, 07:51 AM
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This question is for the veteran striper fisherman on this forum. I've only been striper fishing for about four years now and I'm starting to notice that the bite slows down A LOT when the herring are very abundant in the river. Am I crazy or have any of you guys noticed this as well? My (completely unscientific) theory is that when there is a lot of herring in the water, the stripers have a lot more bait to choose from, therefore the chances of them biting the herring on your line diminishes substantially. Also if this theory is true, does anyone have any ideas how to make the herring on your line more..."appetizing" than the others swimming around freely?
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Old 05-09-2016, 08:21 AM
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You are correct with that assumption. Early during run when Herring are tough to get we always get more Striper bites. Then when the massive schools of bluebacks get here, it can get tougher to get Stripers ... they need to pick your one lonely bait out of millions.

All I can say for helping your odds, move around try different areas if you are not getting any action at all. If your an anchor guy , use a mix of live and fresh chunk.

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Old 05-09-2016, 08:39 AM
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I second that. More bait usually makes for a slower day.
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Old 05-09-2016, 09:13 PM
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Saw a boat this weekend hooking live herring underneath in the belly area. They did hook up a few times. Has anyone tried that, i just go with the old faithful nostrils, wondering how they swim hooked that way
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Saw a boat this weekend hooking live herring underneath in the belly area. They did hook up a few times. Has anyone tried that, i just go with the old faithful nostrils, wondering how they swim hooked that way
That's a new one to me. I'd imagine they wouldn't hold up as well.

I tried the "bridle rig" with circles this year but the majority of my fish were gut hooked. It defeats the whole point of the circle. Personally, I have better ratios running circles up through the roof of the mouth and out the bridge of the nose. No issues with the hook turning in that way.
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Fished Albany for a few hrs yesterday, herring were thick in the river from Albany to Troy, no runs , heading bak out Wednesday gunna load the live well n head south try n soak my bait where there aren't so damn many herring
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Saw a boat this weekend hooking live herring underneath in the belly area. They did hook up a few times. Has anyone tried that, i just go with the old faithful nostrils, wondering how they swim hooked that way

I'm going to take a guess at this one.

When you have schools of bait (usually in middle or upper water column) ... the Stripers are usually down below the schools. So if you get an injured bait twitching and falling to bottom where the bass are it's possibly and easier target ?




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Saw a boat this weekend hooking live herring underneath in the belly area. They did hook up a few times. Has anyone tried that, i just go with the old faithful nostrils, wondering how they swim hooked that way
I actually read about this method in a book I have. I've never tried it but I think it causes a different swim pattern which a predator fish like a striper will zero in on.
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That's a new one to me. I'd imagine they wouldn't hold up as well.

Personally, I have better ratios running circles up through the roof of the mouth and out the bridge of the nose. No issues with the hook turning in that way.
I like this method too. The only problem I've experienced is if you fish in an area with a soft bottom that gets alot of wave action the mouths of the herring usually get clogged with mud and they die.
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I like this method too. The only problem I've experienced is if you fish in an area with a soft bottom that gets alot of wave action the mouths of the herring usually get clogged with mud and they die.
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Thats good info gunner. I have noticed that also. Never knew why. I assumed the herring was already dead and I dragged it through the mud. What do you recommend to prevent it?
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Old 05-10-2016, 05:34 PM
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Ive been fishing for them for three years now and I had the same theory. Makes sense that more herring = harder to catch the bass.
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Thats good info gunner. I have noticed that also. Never knew why. I assumed the herring was already dead and I dragged it through the mud. What do you recommend to prevent it?
Hook them through the nostrils. The only downside to that is that the hook is more likely to turn into the herring's face thus preventing hook up. Hooking them through the back by the dorsal find solves all of that, BUT it's easier to cast the bait off and if you fish fairly shallow water you'll often have the problem of the bait swimming to the surface depending on your leader length.
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Thats my plan is to head south and change bait every 20 min with clipped fins
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Old 05-11-2016, 12:02 PM
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I used to hook the herring through the belly. I got a lot of gut hooked striper doing that. This year I switched to hooking them right above the two specks behind their head and I only lost 3 out of 9 fish so far and all were hooked in the mouth. I also had my "loose" drag set tighter than I have in past years so it's hard to say what method helped more with my hookup ratio. I wanna say it's the tighter drag but who knows..
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