Hudson river tide charts / general angling regs

[Striperjim]

Striped bass in the Hudson River and tributaries north of George Washington Bridge
March 16 through November 30 18" daily limit 1
Hudson River General Angling Regulations
Tidal Stations Hudson River for 2010
River Temps
Rules on Baitfish
Herring Regulations for the Hudson

Yes There are special regulations on herring in the Hudson by county. Check here
The use, or possession for use, of alewife and blueback herring as baitfish is prohibited in Clinton, Essex, Franklin, Warren, and Washington counties.
For example Rensellear / upstream of lock C4 near Stillwater Use or possession of alewife or blueback herring prohibited

Waters where blueback herring may be used as baitfish:
Hudson River and tidal portions of Hudson River tributaries
(Albany, Rensselaer, Greene, Columbia, Dutchess, Orange,
Putnam, Rockland, Sullivan, Ulster and Westchester
counties), and the Mohawk River and tributaries to the first

barrier impassable by fish.


All freshwater fishing regulations for New York

NYS Marine Waters

Benthic Mapper

[Striperjim]

Hudson River Conditions HRFA


(Note)
Current charts are not tide charts. Current charts will tell you when the current changes from flowing north to south and vise vera as opposed to height of the water. (horizontal flow as opposed to verticle change)
Current change can be an hour to an hour and a half later than tide changes.

Example these are NOAA charts for Haverstraw on May 14th 2005
05/14/2005 Sat 03:11AM LDT 3.2 H 10:22AM LDT 0.8 L 04:15PM LDT 2.7 H 10:02PM LDT 1.2 L

And these are BOH
5/14/04 High 2.59 AM High 4:03 PM Low 10:08AM Low9:48PM

On inspection they are not that much different. The difference is easy reference and no tide heights. It is 12 minutes on high tide and 14 minutes at low tide. Not a big deal at least on this particular comparison day.

[mrbuster]

maybe you could explain what the LDT and the 3.2 and 2.7 stands for. I would like to learn how to use a tide chart.

[Striperjim]

MB

All times are listed in Local Standard Time(LST) or, Local Daylight Time (LDT) (when applicable).

The tide data on the charts is relative to mean lower low water (MLLW - 0.0') which is the average of the lower (of the two) low water heights of each tidal day. The unit of measurement is feet (and 10ths of a foot). In order to get an absolute height of the water under your boat's keel you would need a nautical chart for your location (which shows height of water at MLLW). Then add (or subtract) the tide height
Why you might care about the actual height of tide: Lets say you keep your boat (which draws 6 feet) in the Kennebunk River. The nautical chart shows the river entrance depth is 7' which means 7' at average low tide (These numbers are made up). You look at the tide chart for today and it says 8.5' for the morning high and -1.8 for the low. So at high tide you would have 15.5 (7 + 8.5) feet of water and at low, 5.2 (7 -1.8) feet. Remember your boat needs 6' to float. You better not try sailing out the entrance at low tide today!

The average of the lower low water height of each tidal day observed over the National Tidal Datum Epoch. For stations with shorter series, simultaneous observational comparisons are made with a control tide station in order to derive the equivalent datum of the National Tidal Datum Epoch
For more on how the NOS derives these numbers look here. http://data.labins.org/2003/SurveyDa...hodologies.pdf

[Striperjim]

March 16th is opening Day.

[Striperjim]

Guidelines - Striped Bass on Hudson River
Click on the site listed below concerning use of live bait -

http://www.dec.ny.gov/regulations/2347.html



1 Keeper per day over 18"
2 Rods in the water for each person
No gaff hooks allowed onboard
Once you have a striper onboard will not be allowed to boat another striper, catch n' release only.
Fishing Licenses are required for the Kingston, Saugerties & Catskill Creeks

Herring Rigs are only allowed 5 hooks, not 6
DEC Bait tags for scap nets over 12" in diameter and for selling herring


Techniques -
Downriggers ( During spawning, balls tend to damage stripers. Be aware of this.)
Bait - Bloodworms, Sandworms, Live Eels, Herring
...... Eels - DEC guidelines - 8" - 14" only

http://www.dec.ny.gov/

[Striperjim]

2010

Predictions Weehawken, Union City, N.J.
Predictions Spuyten Duyvil Creek ent., N.Y.
Predictions Riverdale, N.Y.
Predictions Alpine, N.J.
Predictions Tarrytown
Predictions Haverstraw
Predictions Peekskill
Predictions Newburgh
Predictions New Hamburg
Predictions Poughkeepsie
Predictions Hyde Park
Predictions Kingston
Predictions Tivoli
Predictions Hudson
Predictions Castleton
Predictions ALBANY
Predictions Troy

TIDAL STATIONS 2010

BAIT FISH OF NEW YORK STATE

How to identify and legally use them

in freshwaters and the Hudson River

This material was made possible, in part, by a cooperative

agreement with the United States Department of Agriculture’s
Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS),

NOAA DEPTH CHARTS

12343
40,000
Hudson River New York to Wappinger Creek
12345
10,000
Hudson River George Washington Bridge to Yonkers
12346
10,000
Hudson River Yonkers to Piermont
12347
40,000
Hudson River Wappinger Creek to Hudson
12348
40,000
Hudson River Coxsackie to Troy

[Striperjim]

One More time in one more thread.

You do not need a freshwater license to fish for migratory (striped bass) species on the hudson river but you must have a marine recreational license to do so.
If you plan to fish for non migratory species like Large mouth bass or catfish you do need a NY state freshwater license.
If your a Hudson Charter you pay a $250 fee and your fares must have a Marine recreational Fishing License.
Marine Charter captains get hit with an additional $400 fee if they fish in marine waters also.

The web site now has the corrected updates.
http://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/54950.html

If you are fishing downstream from the Tappan Zee Bridge, you are considered fishing in the marine and coastal district and will need to have a recreational marine fishing license.
If you are fishing upstream from the Tappan Zee Bridge and are fishing for non-migratory fish (such as largemouth bass, smallmouth bass, catfish, carp, walleye, and perch) only, you will need to have a freshwater fishing license.


Information from The Hudson River fisheries unit. Cathy Hattalla