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Old 04-24-2007, 07:47 AM
lenny sloat lenny sloat is offline
 
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Default General, Chunking, and Bait/Bottom Fishing Questions

Hello, I am new to the area and plan on fishing around West Point / Cornwall area over the next few weeks. This is a little different from Iowa!!!!! I am in the army and don't have as much time as I would like to fish and I am a little unclear about where to start.

I have some questions about how to do the bottom fishing.
1. With the blood worms or (bunker/herring) chunks, do you want them on the bottom or a little off the bottom?
2. If it is off the bottom, how much and how do you get the bait there (fishfinder rig with a float or a slip-bobber)?
3. What do you all look for when you decide to anchor up and bottom fish?

I also have some general questions:
1. Would anyone recommend using Berkley Gulp Cut-Bait strips on the bottom? What about Gulp Blood worms?
2. What size hooks do you use for the blood worms?
3. Early and late do the stripers come close to shore?
4. Do they hit at night?
5. Do a lot of fish spawn around West Point?
6. Do the stripers come up in the water column under low light conditions?
7. What depth would be good to start looking for fish?
8. What general cover or bottom charachteristics are good to look for?

I know that this is a lot of questions. I am just looking for a place to start.

Any help would be appreciated!!!!!!!!!!

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Old 04-24-2007, 11:53 AM
DURAMAX05 DURAMAX05 is offline
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Default Re: General, Chunking, and Bait/Bottom Fishing Questions

To answer some of your questions:
1. I have my best luck fishing chunk and live herring on the bottom. Never tried blood worms but I am fishing farther north.
2. Try somewhere around 3 oz sinker depending on the current. I like to use a 4 foot leader to a swivel with a slip sinker above it. The current will move the chunk and it is enough to let a live herring get away from the catfish for a while.
3. I like to anchor up on a drop off. That way I have some bait in the deep and some in the shallow.

1. Never tried it
2. Never used them
3. They definitely feed more in the shallows first light and night.
4. They definitely hit at night. Its tough to catch herring at night though.
5. I think most fish spawn farther north.
6. Definitely
7. I like to anchor up somewhere around 20-25ft.
8. Any kind of structure (drop off, Creek flow, sand bar)

Hope this helps and good luck.
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Old 04-24-2007, 12:23 PM
lenny sloat lenny sloat is offline
 
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Default Re: General, Chunking, and Bait/Bottom Fishing Questions

Swabbie,

Thanks fo the information. I appreciate it.

Do you find that you get most of your strikes close to the bottom? What depth do you get most of your strikes at and over what bottom composition?
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Old 04-24-2007, 04:55 PM
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Default Re: General, Chunking, and Bait/Bottom Fishing Questions

I believe most of the bottom up here is a mud bottom. We dont have as deep of water as you do, however most of the channel up here is 35-40 feet. Usually I anchor on the edge and fish in and out so it depends where the fish are at that time. And as always "most of the time" doesnt always have to happen. Good Luck. The fish should be where you should be fishing now.
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Old 04-28-2007, 10:49 AM
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Default Re: General, Chunking, and Bait/Bottom Fishing Questions

Lenny:

A few things:

You really might want to post for somebody to go with you once or twice in the Cornwall/West Point/Newburgh area. There are days when there are flotillas of boats that mean the fish are clustered, and there are days when a flotilla means that nothing is going on/we're tired of looking for them/gas is expensive. Somebody who knows the area will know the difference and know what baits are working.

Yeah, the West side is good, but don't ignore the Bannerman's area and the Croton Pt. area - they can go red-hot.

Your questions about higher-tech baits are drawing exactly the reactions I thought they would. The Gulp baits, etc. don't get the kind of attention here in the Northeast because high-quality natural bait is pretty easy to get and the demand for the more-expensive packaged stuff just isn't the same as inland.

Do the fish spawn around West Point? Depends on what you mean about "around West Point". The West Point area itself contains the deepest spot in the whole river, and Stripers spawn in the shallows, so the answer is no if you mean right in front of the Point. I've wound up standing in the river in 3' of water at the Cornwall flats during a spawning frenzy, though. Remember though that Stripers aren't like largemouth guarding a nest - the actual spawning spot will be important for exactly one day - the Stripers could be miles away the day before and the day after.

Don't sit around and wait very long while you ask questions - the Striper run in the Hudson will be over in a month or so - then they spread out over the Long Island area and North from there.

I find that you've got to target either quantity or quality of stripers. That isn't say the nobody will get the 40# fish in the middle of a flotilla that's working a school, but the big female cows are pretty solitary (and pretty smart, too - they didn't get to be big and old by being stupid). I find that if you're in 30' of water and they're biting at the 15' level, the big fish will be UNDER the school if they're around the school at all. Some folks say that old cow Stripers are lazy - I think they're experts at energy-efficiency! In the summer, they'll hang under a school of bluefish and get the fresh leftovers. If you want to target the big fish, think like a fish that doesn't want to spend a lot of energy fighting the current/tide and wants the food brought to it.

Best of luck!!
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