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Old 04-26-2006, 07:43 PM
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Default thanks for the info

thanks for the help i know not to speed up on a group
its a good way to get hooks and other things thrown at you :)

if anybody is in or around hull and would like to go out
let me know (ill cheat and watch others
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Old 04-27-2006, 07:31 AM
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damn, 25 years of fishing, the first 15 flyfishing mostly, learning from books on aquatic antomology, fly tying etc.. countless hours dry casting in the back yard to fine-tune my double-hall, shooting heads piled into a heap time after time after time.. watching videos of my casting for hours.. carple tunnel in both hands from jigging deep with braid.. setting up reels right and left handed so I could switch back and forth to be able to fish all day and still feel my fingers... rotarcuff damage from casting both fly and spinning.. finally, through years of trial and error, learning the best times and highest percentage places to fish and not wasting my time on the water over fish that were off or days when the barometer was ripping; learning how to read stripers on sonar that would bite and were not just on the move.. learning to fish in their kitchen and dining room, not the hallways; how to fish a piece of structure without spooking on the approach; screwing it up so many times that it's etched in my head; countless times fishing alone so I could focus on techniques I wanted to learn.. learning much, much more on the days when it was tough fishing then the days when it was easy.. why was it easy?, why was it tough? go back home and study the barometer ( http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/plot_param.phtml?$station=44007$pres$E ) after the fact and connect the good with the bad; studying charts, tide times, and any other data available to help connect the dots; learning that striper fishing was more like deer hunting then any other fishing I'd done; learning the routes they'd travel at what tide times, and being there in advance to not spook them was the most valuable lesson I taught myself. Now I get to a spot, anchor up, have a coffee etc... the guys with me say "hey, we gonna fish here or what?" ... yeah, in a minute they're gonna show up on sonar, we'll let 'em fill in good and start jiggin'... "why don't we start now?" cuz if we start now, yeah, we'll bang a couple but we'll be spooking off the lead fish, we want 'em to fill in and start feeding... and I'd have to tell the story about the young bull and the old bull looking over a field of heffers, the young bull says "hey, lets run down there and boink a few of them"... and the old bull says," no, lets walk down and boink them all!" :)
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Old 04-27-2006, 07:57 AM
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Nice post Jigman.
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Old 07-15-2006, 01:28 AM
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learning to fish in their kitchen and dining room, not the hallways;
Nice post Jigman for sure.
I revisit this thread because I was searching something online and i
came across a thread in another online forum that i usually dont frequent.
It was called 'Bunker fishermen arent really fishermen'.
It caught my attention because it sparked a spirited debate and I think
it got locked after 18 pages. The guy was lamenting the fact that big fish
were being slaughtered by novices who used bunker and to him in his mind this was tantamount to cheating. (Im paraphrasing)
Anyone who could snag a bunker and let it drop was cheating. Apparantly The fish would only be aknowledged by him if you caught it after years of painful dues paying. Through days and nights of beach recon, caught in the surf on a plug handcrafted in the molds of the great surfmasters of yore.
How dare you catch a 50 pounder without having to break your ass like he did. The poor guy must have paid some heavy, heavy dues. He would probably cry had he seen the picture of the 14 year old girl who won the MV derby last year on cut bait. Catching a 50 pound fish from the surf is a feat to be marveled at for sure. But to these guys it doesnt count.
Hopefully some day I'll have the good fortune of catching a 50 pounder and even better on a handcrafted plug. I assure you it will count to the only person that matters. Me!! I hope i have the good sense to release it
and resist the temptation to show it off, but i dont know if thats what i'd do because it hasnt happened. My biggest fish came from the surf and no one ever saw it nor was it weighed. It was released back to swim another day. And by the way it was caught on bunker. I can tell you it counted to me. That doesnt mean I dont enjoy trying to catch a 50 on a plug but if
its on bunker or a potato peeler that will be just fine with me.
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Old 07-16-2006, 09:38 PM
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This is a good thread to revisit, there are not many alive that have paid more dearly than I, but that said how can anyone not count someone's big fish, hey if they did it less the pain all the power to them, they must have done something right.....

That is precisely the reason I never enter contests or Derby's it's tally at the end that counts. once could be an accident, twice you could be lucky, after that, you must have some clue to whats going on..... god bless those that get a big fish with out the effort, time will tell if they really make the grade...

My .02 fir today...

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Old 07-17-2006, 06:44 AM
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I don't see how a big fish no matter the amount of experience wouldn't count.Imean it's one thing to set the hook,it's another story getting it in the boat or on to shore,that's the part where some experience can come into play.

Oh and by the way like Jim I use bunker/pogies alot down at the cape, no 50 to my credit so I guess I wasn't cheating.
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Old 07-17-2006, 10:25 AM
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Those guys who claim that bait fishing "doesnt count", are just looking for a way to "evelate" themselves above others. Really, if you get into the psychology of it, thats all it is. It's in the books. I'm never surprised by the level of one's ego. Just when you think you've seen or heard the biggest, another will come along

Yes, I know and will agree that there are the "googan" fishkiller types who use bait. But there are also those types who use other presentations.

So for this guy to claim that fish with bait "doesnt count", is just silly to me. Fish eat bait, thats what they do So to claim it doesnt count is plain FOOLISH.

So if I throw softshell lobster out on my favorite rockbed or off my favorite point looking for my 50, then it "doesnt count".

This guy is a clownshoe, sorry. But everyone is allowed their opinion ofcourse.



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Old 07-17-2006, 12:08 PM
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That is a great post Jigman
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Old 07-21-2006, 06:31 PM
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thanks chaps! I revisit this thread as well, just to check if anyone put as much into their fishing as I have.. and it seems to hold true that the guys with the blood, sweat, and tears, are the most consistant.. anyone can get lucky, but when you go out and notice that not many around you are catching fish and your boat is hammering bass, it makes all the effort worth it, depending on ones own sacrifices of coarse..

absolutely nothing can replace time on the water, being meticulous with your technique, and , oh yah, time on the water :)
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Old 07-21-2006, 11:43 PM
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This thread keep's me going . Should be a sticky." Dues Payed( story)/ results"(pic).
I'm paying, and I don't think you stop paying.
I used to fish, now I hunt.
That's a bold statement I know,
Any of you guy's that have, tell me I'm wrong.
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Old 07-23-2006, 09:34 PM
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I myself was lucky enough to have a man take me under his wing for a couple of years. He has passed away now and I think of him every time I go. That was back when the length limit was high and the fish numbers were low. I live in VT and traveled to the Canal just about every weekend and fished friday night and saturday night then drive back home. I remember the very first legal striper I caught, it was 38" and weighed 23.7. I was as proud as I could be. That was 1969. I have fished stripers ever since. I still have alot to learn and listen to anyone that might help me be better at this sport. I fish the saco area now, I walked the beach last weekend with the drainer of a tide that we had and found a few spots I can't wait to try next week. As far as using bait , I use what ever it takes to catch fish, isn't that why we are out there. VT
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Old 07-26-2006, 12:16 AM
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Great thread!
I'm still very far from having paid my dues. But working at it is a labor of love. This site along with the tons of books I have read, have really have made a diffrence, but nothing beats being on the water just wish I could be out there more.
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Old 11-23-2007, 01:20 PM
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WOW!! I didnt know SO MANY others were suffering / had paid dues... I often felt guilty for putting myself through the pain (tendonitis / sleep deprivation / injuries from falls / sacrifice of time / buying PLUGS / PARKING TICKETS).

I thought my fishing was a destructive addiction...(addiction = behavior that produces instant gratification at expense of making your life unmanagable)

Better to be addicted to this wonderful sport than other things .

Seriously, Jim.. this is a wonderful board, and I am sure you have put alot of time into it... I run a linux server and use apache to serve a website for my Family Medicine residency program.. and it is very time consuming... and a big responsibility.. I would like to thank you for this board. It has given me peace of mind, and a sense of companionship (although I don't even know any one here yet).
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Old 11-24-2007, 01:26 AM
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As many of you know this is my first year of chasing the striped goddess and I still have a lifetime of learning and due paying left. I am so very thankful for this site as it has made the due-paying process a whole hell of a lot easier. I will use the beavertail gathering as a prime example... The info that the Gunny handed out that day about fishing the rips would have taken me years to learn... I still have very little clue on how to read the beach but due to fishing popham with Striper Jim, I know the basics of fishing an eddy pool. Tips and tricks that have taken many years to learn have been handed to me on a silver platter and for that I would like to thank every person who makes this board what it is. While fishing Fort Popham with Jim, the question was posed as to what we should do about fire in the water. Without hesitation my answer was "light lines and light tackle." How did I know that? Only a week before The Roc had posted that answer to the very same question. Without this board I would be lost and probably would have given up my pursuit of the striped one. Great friends have made my life so much more enjoyable and I owe it to all of you. THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH!!!

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I think the ones that pay the dues, that get out there with a passion are the ones who reap the benefits. There are week end warriors, that are what they are, And that's ok. But the ones who go out and do this thing we do, because it's in our blood, are the ones this is about.
I know I love the anticipation, I love being out there on the rocks. I love the feel of the bass pulling. But I have a passion for what we do. It just ain't fishing!
I want to be the best at this thing we do. Because I love it.
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