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Old 06-07-2005, 03:21 PM
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Why do West Coast striped bass have interrupted or broken stripes as compared to East Coast fish? I fished SF Bay in April releasing about 70 fish all of which had broken strpes to the point of looking checkered. Most of my striped bass fishing is done around Block Island where the 7 or 8 lateral stripes are solid. Now and again a fish will show a break or off setting of one or two stripes. It seems to be common knowledge that the solid striped fish spawn in the Chesapeake Bay whereas the broken striped fish come from the Hudson River.

Does anyone have information about the stripes on West Coast bass and how they got that way? Has some hybridization taken place with white bass?
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Old 06-07-2005, 03:32 PM
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Welcome to the sight Jack,we have 'em here too... I was told that it was a genetic strain,but never cared about it enough to research it....
Striper Jim's good with this stuff I'm sure he can answer your question.


The fish on the right has a broken stripe not sure if thats what you were talking about.
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Old 06-07-2005, 03:35 PM
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Hi Jack first off welcome to the site.

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Has some hybridization taken place with white bass?
I think you hit the nail on the head. Check here for additional reading. https://stripers247.com/hybridstripers.htm

The hybrids dont reproduce so they must be stocked but some natural hybridization may be taking place as well. The hybrid is differentiated by the broken stripes but mitocondrial studies may be needed at times to tell for sure. The strains in the Hudson and Chesapeake are very similar and are referred to as the atlantic strain. Now many of the landlocked stripers stocked in many southern U.S. impoundments are the southern or gulf strain. These apparently have been found to be less migratory and natural reproduction is being observed with this stock, hence the increased stocking of this strain in the southern U.S.
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Welcome to the site Jack, there is some great fishing out there in California. I used to live in Modesto, CA a couple years ago and caught many hybrids. The funny thing is that I've never caught a single pure breed striper in CA. You should try fishing Half Moon Bay, it seems that there are no slow days at all there and you catch a different species of fish every time you cast out including delicious monster sized dungeness crab. :D
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Old 06-08-2005, 02:01 AM
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Jack,

It is normal for stripers to have the broken lines as well as hybrids to have solid lines. The lines on a fish are not the way to tell if it is a pure striper or a hybrid. The best way to tell is by the body shape or the tooth patches in the mouth. Pure stripers have a streamlined torpedo shaped body and a distinctively split tooth patch on the tongue. Hybrid stripers favor the shape of a football. They have an arched back and a somewhat split tooth patch on the tongue. Hope this helps
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Some states have also reported back crossing with hybrids and white bass. Apparently not all are sterile. 8)
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Some states have also reported back crossing with hybrids and white bass. Apparently not all are sterile. 8)
i've heard reports of that here in Alabama...supposedly it's the male hybrids that aren't sterile.
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Why do West Coast striped bass have interrupted or broken stripes as compared to East Coast fish? I fished SF Bay in April releasing about 70 fish all of which had broken strpes to the point of looking checkered. Most of my striped bass fishing is done around Block Island where the 7 or 8 lateral stripes are solid.

A study done in the Hudson and Chesapeake in the early 90s suggests that Hatchery-reared striped bass displayed a pronounced increase in the incidence of broken stripedness, which may be related to the artificial environments in which they had been raised.


Here's the abstract if anyone is interested.

Selected Biocharacteristics of Hatchery-Reared Striped Bass Captured in New York Ocean Waters
JOHN R. WALDMAN
Hudson River Foundation, 40 West 20th Street, Ninth Floor, New York, New York 10011, USA
VICTOR J. VECCHIO
New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, Division of Marine Resources, 205 Belle Meade Road, East Setauket, New York 11733, USA
Abstract
Millions of hatchery-reared striped bass Morone saxatilis have been stocked into the Hudson River since 1983 and into the Chesapeake Bay since 1985; these annual programs continue indefinitely. Despite the magnitude of these plantings, little attention has been paid to whether or not these hatchery-reared fish display the migratory behavior or morphological characteristics of their wild counterparts. Most of these fish were marked with coded wire tags. To examine selected biocharacteristics of hatchery-reared striped bass in the wild, we used coded wire tag detectors to identify hatchery-reared fish among striped bass captured during autumn in 1991 and 1992 in haul seines near Montauk, New York. More than 1,500 striped bass were scanned for coded wire tags each year; hatchery-reared fish composed about 3.5% of the striped bass catch in 1991 and 2.5% 1 year later. Although only about twice as many marked striped bass were stocked in Chesapeake Bay as in the Hudson River, the recapture ratio of Chesapeake Bay to Hudson River fish was 62: 1 in 1991 and 37:2 in 1992; these differences probably resulted from differences in relative survival or migratory behavior. Hatchery-reared striped bass from Chesapeake Bay showed significant (P < 0.05) differences from wild fish in 14 of 18 morphometric dimensions and in the proportion of fish with asymmetric pectoral fin ray counts, but not in the magnitude of asymmetrical fin ray counts or in condition. Hatchery-reared striped bass also displayed a pronounced increase in the incidence of broken stripedness, which may be related to the artificial environments in which they had been raised. We believe that the continued use of hatchery-reared striped bass requires additional monitoring to determine whether or not they are inferior to wild fish in such key characteristics as migratory behavior or homing fidelity.
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