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Old 07-19-2009, 03:41 PM
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Default Are all surfacing schools of Hybrid Stripers Actually Feeding?

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I am a resident and fishing coordinator for a private lake in south central Pa. The lake is 135 acres and has a maximum depth of 65 feet.

In 2005, 6, and 7, I released a total of 800 Hybrids into the lake.They averaged about 12 - 15 inches when released. During the first couple of years they were fairly easy to catch either on bait, or when they started to surface in schools. This year things have changed, especially with the surfacing Stripers.

The question I have is, are all surfacing schools of Hybrids actually feeding? Each year I would see as many as 5 different schools surfacing. You could actually see their mouths and dorsal fins come out of the water as they move together in formation (similiar to Canadian Geese). During those times I've never seen any small fish ahead of the school and in past years when I was able to hook one, or several, I never found any evidence of forage fish in their guts.

In past years when I would swim a surface bait across or with the school I managed to get a hook-up. Not every cast, but enough. This year they ignore whatever I throw at them. From surface minnow poppers to minnow swim baits, nothing ...no interest. They just continue on for a few minutes and then go down.

I've tried researching this on theInternet, but with this breed being fairly new, there is not much information on their feeding/surfacing habits. Could they be schooling and coming to the surface only for oxygen?

BTW, we didn't have a schooling forage fish in the lake, i.e.shad. I started putting in Fathead Minnows several years ago and introduced Golden Shiners this year.

Any help or insight is appreciated.

Thanks!
Shannon
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Old 07-21-2009, 08:30 AM
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Default Re: Are all surfacing schools of Hybrid Stripers Actually Feeding?

That's a very good question. Oops, welcome aboard!! I fish for them on the Ohio River below a dam and it seems like most of the time they ARE after baitfish. We have to keep a close eye out for them.Just as soon as Shad or Skipjacks start coming out of the water, the Wipers are right there with them. When they go down, we start fishing the bottom with Lead Spoons, Swimbaits , carolina rigged flukes,carolina rigged spinners. It does seem sometimes like they're playing around with our topwater lures just slapping them around. A very hard fish to figure out.
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Old 07-21-2009, 12:44 PM
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Default Re: Are all surfacing schools of Hybrid Stripers Actually Feeding?

Hi Shannon,

I would Imagine they are feeding on something while surfacing. Although I have not fished fresh water for Stripers I would venture a guess that they are eating some type of a hatching insect on the top of the water possibly. I would throw some sort of surface swimmer and then attach a teaser fly ahead of the swimmer I would think they would wind up by eating the fly.

Dave when they whack your bait and play with it let it sit for a moment after they whack it and then continue to work the lure I think you will find that once they hit the bait they are testing it or trying to stun it they will return for it in a second.

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Old 07-22-2009, 01:16 AM
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Default Re: Are all surfacing schools of Hybrid Striper's Actually Feeding?

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To All,

I am a resident and fishing coordinator for a private lake in south central Pa. The lake is 135 acres and has a maximum depth of 65 feet.

In 2005, 6, and 7, I released a total of 800 Hybrids into the lake.They averaged about 12 - 15 inches when released. During the first couple of years they were fairly easy to catch either on bait, or when they started to surface in schools. This year things have changed, especially with the surfacing Striper's.

The question I have is, are all surfacing schools of Hybrids actually feeding? Each year I would see as many as 5 different schools surfacing. You could actually see their mouths and dorsal fins come out of the water as they move together in formation (similiar to Canadian Geese). During those times I've never seen any small fish ahead of the school and in past years when I was able to hook one, or several, I never found any evidence of forage fish in their guts.

In past years when I would swim a surface bait across or with the school I managed to get a hook-up. Not every cast, but enough. This year they ignore whatever I throw at them. From surface minnow poppers to minnow swim baits, nothing ...no interest. They just continue on for a few minutes and then go down.

I've tried researching this on theInternet, but with this breed being fairly new, there is not much information on their feeding/surfacing habits. Could they be schooling and coming to the surface only for oxygen?

BTW, we didn't have a schooling forage fish in the lake, i.e.shad. I started putting in Fathead Minnows several years ago and introduced Golden Shiners this year.

Any help or insight is appreciated.

Thanks!
Shannon
I have caught many Hybrids over the years below dams...here in TN they are known as the "Cherokee Bass". There is a TWRA lake where I live that is only 65 acres and the Hybrids are thriving in it. This lake is managed for big bass and has a huge population of Shad. When TWRA did this I did not think they would make it but I was wrong. I have caught a few from this lake but I don't fish it much as the Shad are so plentiful in it that they are all over the shore line and the place stinks to high heaven in the summer. The Hybrid will do the surface thing and never hit a top water lure. You can try a suspending bait and they might hit it but there are times they will do this and will not hit anything when you cast into them. I have seen the same thing with Striper's below Pickwick Dam. The water would be frothing with them for several hours and they would be very picky as to what they would hit...very frustrating. These fish have to have a forage fish such as Shad or I don't think they will make it. They have a huge appetite.


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Old 07-22-2009, 07:31 AM
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Default Re: Are all surfacing schools of Hybrid Stripers Actually Feeding?

Thanks for all the replies.

Regarding the fish surviving, I am hoping the Golden Shiners will prove to be a good continuing, and schooling forage fish for them. I have some concerns about introducing Shad into the lake as I've heard many stories about how they can quickly over populate a lake. The Hybrids are surviving so far as the first 300 we released have been in the lake for three years and are growing.

One of the pan fishermen at the lake sent me an email the other day that he saw them schooling around his boat and he cast his worm into the school and had several strikes but no hook ups. He though it was because his hook was so small.

Maybe we should cast live bait into the schools rather than lures?
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Old 04-27-2010, 10:54 AM
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Default Re: Are all surfacing schools of Hybrid Stripers Actually Feeding?

I play with wipers on a weekly basis, and based on that experience, I have to say that if you are seeing them on the surface, they are feeding. I have also noticed that it is the smaller fish that are doing the feeding and the larger fish are hanging about near the bottom--waiting. As a rule, wipers hate the surface of the lake. You catch one and it instinctively heads to the bottom and toward deep water. I suggest trying a casting spoon when you see them feeding at the surface. Cast into the frenzy and let the spoon fall to the bottom, then jerk back, let drop again, jerk back, let drop, etc.

I have also noticed that what worked well with wipers last year most often does not work well if at all the following year. Imagine, a fish with a brain. They just are nothing like a large mouth bass.
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Old 04-27-2010, 11:34 AM
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Old 05-03-2010, 01:06 PM
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I can't imagine putting hybrids in a lake that has no shad. They are shad eating machines. If you are going to use shiners only, I would pump a bunch in there. Hybrids like to school up and force shad to the surface where they can hammer them. I don't know if shiners school up in huge schools or not. I know I don't like to bottom fish with shiners because they like to hide on the bottom. If it were my lake, it would have shad and lots of them. They grow big hybrids.
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Old 05-04-2010, 09:38 AM
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I'd have to side with Mean Morone on that. They are shad eating machines, and that is almost their exclusive diet. In Iniana sometime in the past wipers were introduced in a small lake (550 acres) that had no shad. Guys still catch them occasionally, but they are not the wipers that grow 3 inches a year. In fact, full grown in that lake is about 3 pounds, where they'll commonly get upwards of 10 lbs. in a lake that has an abundance of shad.
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Bustin river shiners last week, but the shad were being chased too. This one took a Shiner
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