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Old 11-20-2009, 10:03 PM
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No Jack, i was on my couch with my Dremel tool. I had a grinding stone that was the same size almost and couldn't wait. Used the low setting and started to take some stuff off(out)while trying to hold it straight and after some time of grinding and trying to slip the needle in,in she went. I didn't grind all the way through,left a little space at the end to use as a stopper so the needle will never slip through. I also placed a copper washer 9mmx12mm in between the pinion gear and the needle bearing so there's no grinding.
Yhat's what I thought, Do you see that it needs to be copper as I was thinking stainless like I posted above. After I posted that I was also thinking a bronze washer might be better, I doubt it though. Well I need to know, how's it feel?
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Old 11-20-2009, 11:12 PM
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Much smoother , can't immagine how it's gonna be after the other ones.Now if i could only find some 8mmx11mm bearings and not touch the housing, just plop'em in, i would spring for a NEW housing! Wondering if the 704 and the 706 are the same size housing(hoping anyway)!
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Old 11-21-2009, 05:08 AM
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You shhould have held off a couple days on the housing. Had you pm'ed or called me I think I could have met you at the shop this weekend. we could have drilled it out on the press or on the Bridgeport. Although this is not the best weekend for it
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:13 AM
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I know, just couldn't wait. Figured i sacrifice housing to see if it's doable. Still wanna meet up after season and do it RIght! Maybe i'll pick up a 706 by then. Waiting on Dynaroll's catalog. It seems they have more of a bearing selection. If i can find 8mmx11mm, i'll pick up a bunch for us. I'm also looking at gasket materials. Thinking about cutting a gasket for the housing plate to seal it up and maybe finding an o-ring for the main gear shaft that protrudes outside the handle.We'll see! My buddy Rich is coming in from jersey for the weekend so we'll be STALKING STRIPERS! Seems as the bass bite picked up around here! Tight lines Brian!
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Old 11-21-2009, 10:11 AM
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I've been thinking about milliing around the housing and set an o ring into it help seal the body. One of the guys at the shop said he may be able to shape the o ring, if not it should still work. If the ring is long then I will jut have to seam it. I also have some thin rubber that I could use and might be easier. I think we have several different thickness'. If the place is still there, we used to deal with a place that made gaskets accross from our old shop. They always gave me the stuff at no charge. I swear I remember measuring up some bearings at the shop a few weeks ago that may be close or the same. I feel they may be bigger though as I think they are for a steering box or rack as we modify them for low to zero effort steering and sometimes a bearing gets damaged. I was supposed to go out to fish this weekend but now I have the other bathroom ripped apart. One small little sink swap has now become building a new vanity and replumbing the whole bathroom. I also found the drain is leaking in the concrete floor, don't really want to hammer up the floor but just may have to. Gotta go I have a busy day ahead of me. Maybe I can sneak out though and head down to the Fly Tying Sympsium in Somerset NJ although that's a 45 min drive one way. I don't think the wife wants to deal with the mess another day. Oh well you know how it goes-those effing contractors never show up when there supposed to. That's me- only kidding though I'm usually where I'm supposed to be, but it's the weekend!!!

Did you check with Boca for bearings? Also do a search for Reel bearings or fishing reel bearings. One other thing is if you have a good hobby shop near you they may have something although their stuff is usually smaller. I can check the one near the shop, it's small but they have stuff from floor to ceiling. I was amazed how much stuff they fit in there little store
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Old 11-21-2009, 10:37 AM
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Got my needles and caliper last night. Correct measurement for pinion bushing 8mmx11mmx10mm,the only bearing i could find was 8mmx12mm. Had to mill 1mm out of the housing to make it fit but it worked! The one way i also ordered is not a one way but that was for the handle so it can wait. If you guys want to use reg bearing, just mill 3 or 4mm in the housing so it lays inside, i'll prob do that on the other reel, too late for this one! Ordered some bushings and main gear. When i get those i will measure bushings for the handle and post. Seems to be 33.5mm long. I'm thinking 22mm long one way needle in the middle with two flanged bearings on both ends! That would make it a 5 bearing reel! lol My girls away with the camera, i'll post some picks on wednsday!
Why is it to late? You can always mill out more, it's a bit more work to put it back though. There are a few ways to make it smaller though. If you want we can mill out more even if it's oblonged from the dremel. Is it safe to take out that much though as ther can be some pretty heavy stress there.
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Old 11-21-2009, 10:50 AM
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I guess we can do that. I'll just have to gat a larger(o.d.)bearing and drill to 13mm. As far as stress tolerances, we'll just have to see. Good luck w/those bathrooms!

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Old 11-21-2009, 02:55 PM
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Wow a dremel that must have been a PITA. I was thinking a 12mil bit on a drill press. RJ you are a persistent bugger.

As far as sealing the body goes. Put a zirc in the body some where and RTV the plate to the body. remove at the end of the season. If you have the zirc in the body you can pump it with grease as needed.
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Old 11-21-2009, 07:03 PM
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I like your idea better Jackbass, Drill Press is the way to go although the Dremel serves me well! lol I measured the bushings i got from ScottsB&T and they're identical(except for the flang). Also picked up a new main gear($27.30) which i will install in the finished product. Would prefer to seal it w/ gasket of some type but if not then RTV. Ever have problems with that zirc fitting? The housing seems to me kind of thin.
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Old 11-22-2009, 11:01 AM
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I like your idea better Jackbass, Drill Press is the way to go although the Dremel serves me well! lol I measured the bushings i got from ScottsB&T and they're identical(except for the flang). Also picked up a new main gear($27.30) which i will install in the finished product. Would prefer to seal it w/ gasket of some type but if not then RTV. Ever have problems with that zirc fitting? The housing seems to me kind of thin.
There should be no stress on the zirc. Just be sure to place it where it wont get bumped , say on the topside. I myself hate silicone, I would rather use a gasket as I don't have to clean anything when I open it up. I often compare RTV to baby sh#t, it just gets everywhere and it hard to get off. I feel with the right greese (say corrision block) it should be fine once it's filled and closed up
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Old 12-01-2009, 10:44 AM
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Hope you guys had a good Thanksgiving! Now back to bussiness. So i get the handle bushings out. It turns out to be the easy part. Could not get the new ones in without damaging the bushings(they're like butter). So i call up Scotts B&T, looking for some wisdom! It seems they have plenty of it! After being told to sand the bushing down a bit with fine grit sandpaper, the guy tells me to put the bushings in the freezer( get'em nice and cold), then heat the housing to where it's nice and toasty before inserting the bushings back in( they should go in with minimal force), the heat with the cold should bond the metals really good. Makes perfect sense, only thing is i used up all the bushings i had so time to order some more in case i decide not to go with bearings. I also picked up a 706Z from e-bay which was used only twice, should be here by friday!
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Old 12-01-2009, 11:40 AM
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Just a note...

Last time I replaced those bushings, I was lucky enough to have an adjustable reamer handy. The ID closed up slightly when I pressed the busing in. A minor ID clean-up and the fit was perfect.
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Old 12-01-2009, 08:29 PM
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If you read this I was wondering about the Powder coat you used. You had said that it chipped easy. Did you you send the reel out and have it blown with powder then baked or did you use the brush/dip on powder paint type like for jigs. There is a major difference between the two-Powder Coat and Powder Paint. I have had many things powder coated "professionally" and they are very/super durable. It can chip and stuff but it takes a major shot to do so if done right.

Added: I reread your post and you said you used powder paint. I now see why it chipped easily. Real powder coat is way more durable and hard, there is not even a comparison between the two.
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I had it done by Chuck Hell aka The Reel Restorer (RIP)
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Just a note...

Last time I replaced those bushings, I was lucky enough to have an adjustable reamer handy. The ID closed up slightly when I pressed the busing in. A minor ID clean-up and the fit was perfect.
I mustered up something homemade but it still marked the ID(not adjustable,had some play on the inside). I'll see if i can find an adjustable one. Thanks Rickski!

Threw some picks in with the needle bearing. Thinking if i can use a one-way clutch bearing and keep the grease out of it when i pack it, i could have instant anti-reverse.
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